<div dir="auto">Chers tous bonjour,<div dir="auto">Nous avons évoluer en Afrique avec un système de copié et coller depuis l'indépendance des nos très chers Etat. Ça rapporté quoi ? </div><div dir="auto">Ici il s'agit des principes et normes qui régissent notre communauté d'AFRINIC pas de comparaison puisque tel ou tel l'a fait.</div><div dir="auto">Très Chers membres de la communauté, je demande a chacun de me prouver avec le statut, le règlement d'afrinic, les décisions du conseil d'administration d'afrinic ou même des politiques adopter et déjà en application pour tenir le vote en ligne et je besoin que cette même communauté me prouve comment les règles qui nous régissent tranche sur comment contourner le cas exceptionnel qui est créer par le covid19 , qui nous nous mettent tous dans le cas de force majeure.</div><div dir="auto">Je pense que, nous avons ceux qui soutiennent des propositions sans soubassements légal et ils doivent éviter d'induire la communauté en erreur ou se parcequ'ils veulent qu'on adopte leur proposition des politiques déjà rejeté en Angola ? </div><div dir="auto">Je continue a insisté sur ma proposition : pas d'élections en ligne puisque sur le plan légal nul part nos principes et normes d'afrinic n'autorise pas l'élection en ligne. Du coût Le coprésident reste en fonction jusqu'à l'installation des coprésident élue à l'issu d'une réunion physique a Kinshasa déjà ce soir son excellence Monsieur le Président de la RDC lève l'état d'urgence sur toute l'étendue du pays.</div><div dir="auto">Pour la réunion, doit rester en RDC et doit être physique. l'Afrique n'a plus besoin de copie et coller, nous avons besoin des innovations qui sont adaptés à la réalité de l'Afrique. </div><div dir="auto">Je pense avoir dit</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 21 juil. 2020 à 17:23, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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I don?t think anyone said that.<br>
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The point is that the PDP is very clear about:<br>
The term of the chairs. Chaging that requires a policy change.<br>
The way they are elected (show hands), including remote participants. Doesn?t present any restriction to ?virtual-only-meetings?.<br>
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El 21/7/20 16:50, "Haruna Umar Adoga" <<a href="mailto:hartek66@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hartek66@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Hi All,<br>
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Rather than focussing on why we must hold an online election amidst a global pandemic (for those pushing for this idea), we should be discussing ? with reasonable points, why we feel the current co-chairs are not getting the job done.<br>
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Proposing an argument for an online election at this time, should come up, if the community as a whole is convinced that the current co-chairs are hindering our progress (in any front).<br>
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Like most people who have made their opinions known, I am of the opinion that we continue with these co-chairs, until we are able to have a face-to-face meeting to hold an election.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Haruna Adoga.<br>
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 3:35 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I don't understand such a fear of the different or the unknown that <br>
frighten some people.<br>
Although limited there are options within the PDP, but it seems none is <br>
acceptable.<br>
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Agree that despite all the fear justifiable concerns there are solutions.<br>
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Fernando<br>
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On 21/07/2020 11:16, Murungi Daniel wrote:<br>
> Dear Anthony,<br>
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> Postponing the election is the lazy way out. We have a problem. Let us fix it.<br>
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>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hello Taiwo,<br>
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>> You have basically summarized my thoughts and contributions so far.<br>
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>> The idea of forcibly pushing through with an online voting process baffles me, as those campaigning for it have simply failed to look at the Cons of their proposal. The existing process clearly proposes a Face-2-Face electoral process and going otherwise is going against the policy.<br>
> No one is forcibly pushing anything through. That?s why the subject was put forth for discussion. Please watch the inflammatory language.<br>
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> If policy allows us to have an e-vote. Then let?s get it done. Do we consider ourselves so special that what has worked for others will not work for us (some panel beating might be required)? If so, then that is simply a combination of hubris and unfettered arrogance.<br>
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>> As you rightly said, the community will most likely erupt into debates and disagreements from whatever outcome. An online policy discussion and consensus might be a possibility since inputs and opinions count as value for the measure. However, online voting is a totally different playing field. It is a quagmire which we must not race into, but tread on carefully<br>
> This is fear mongering. Agreed, there are some justifiable concerns but there are solutions.<br>
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>> I personally think the seating Co-chairs are doing great work, so it is really unfortunate that the reactions from certain members project this difference. Are we in a hurry do fill in a gap? Or, are we working towards fostering a progressive community with a united front? Who loses if the current crop of Co-chairs continues in the same vein? Will the community be taken aback if their tenure is extended?<br>
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> Clearly some don?t think the Co-chairs have done ?great? work others do. A vote will lay this issue to rest :) .<br>
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>> Like I said before, I propose that the election is postponed until the next face-to-face meeting(As required in the existing process). Before then, perhaps a credible alternative would have been refined and adopted by the majority for the supposedly ?new normal?. I reiterate that It is wise that we extend the current tenure of the seating Co-chair, as flying a haphazard online election solution is does not align with current policy and process.<br>
> I don?t mind a 60 day extension (policies permitting) for us to get our ducks in a row. The idea of simply extending tenures for another term is lazy and pushes the problem down the line without a solution. Especially when no one has a clue as to whether we shall be able to hold the vote in person the next election cycle.<br>
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Hello Everyone,<br>
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As Taiwo has rightly said, there's a big difference between online voting<br>
and policy discussions.<br>
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In order for us to have a good and credible election for the Co-chairs such<br>
that both the winning and the loosing parties will be happy with the<br>
results there by fostering unity, legitimacy of office and co-operation in<br>
the community, it's is necessary that we suspend the election till when we<br>
are able to meet face to face. Since the incumbent Co-chairs ain't<br>
complaining of the offices overdue; in as much as they are doing a<br>
wonderful job and has justified the confidence we reposed on them last year<br>
in Kampala, Let us unanimously agree to allow them remain in office till we<br>
meet face to face for the election as usual.<br>
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Cheers.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Emem E. William<br>
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