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      Yes, but that proposal could be to vary the chair election process
      just as much as to vary anything else in the document.</blockquote><p class="">Yes, as long it is conducted under a policy proposal discussion
      following 3.6 no problem at all.</p><p class="">Now the main problem I guess is to reach consensus on something
      as many people seem too afraid of anything. So why I suggested
      something strictly simple that resolves the current scenario, even
      temporarily until we can have a proper proposal discussed later
      that resolves it long term.</p><p class="">However some people keep suggesting to extend the Co-Chair term
      without willing to go through a simple show of hands in a remote
      event as the PDP says. So how we suppose to do this? Regardless
      the type of job the person is doing there is not other way to
      extend his term other than the process outlined in the PDP.<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The problem is that such a suggestion is just as equally prohibited under the CPM as any other. Even that would require a policy proposal to reach consensus through the 4 week process outlined in 3.6.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">
    </p><p class="">I don't see any other ways out of it.<br class="">
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/07/2020 00:05, Owen
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                    <div class="">On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Fernando
                      Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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                      <div class=""><p class="">Hi Owen. Sorry I don't really read
                          the 3.6 the same way as you. 3.6 in my view
                          wasn't thought for situation like this. It's
                          being glued for the occasion that's not the
                          case. 3.6 is about how the proposals are
                          conducted, reviewed and passed within this
                          forum in a exceptional situation (pretty much
                          where we are). All points mentioned there have
                          to do with proposals. We are not discussing or
                          advancing a proposal right now.<br class="">
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                  That’s your special interpretation. It’s not what a
                  plain english reading of the language says.</div>
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                <div class="">1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The
                  PDP is in the document containing 3.6. The PDP is a
                  process.</div>
                <div class="">2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The
                  co-chair election process is in the document
                  containing 3.6. The co-chair election process is a
                  process.</div>
                <div class="">3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.6
                  says “The process outlined in this document…”.</div>
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                        </div><p class="">What CAN actually be done within 3.6
                          is someone to properly present a proposal to
                          amend the PDP and fix the issues we are
                          discussing here and then have this proposal
                          treated under 3.6 (with no less than 4 weeks
                          including the Last Call - which coincides with
                          your point number 3 below).</p>
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                  I suppose that could also work, though it’s rather
                  indirect and adds (unnecessary IMHO) complexity.<br class="">
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                      <div class=""><p class="">In my opinion proposal
                          AFPUB-2019-GEN-007-DRAFT01 is ready for it,
                          but I guess that may not reach consensus. So a
                          much shorter proposal with just the essential
                          we need to resolve this situation is the way
                          to go under 3.6. Would that match with what
                          you are trying to put ?<br class="">
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                  IMHO, AFPUB-2019-GEN-007-DRAFT01 is a fatally flawed
                  proposal and I would not support it as currently
                  written.</div>
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                <div class="">I think a much more direct proposal to
                  clarify an expanded scope of 3.6 (closer to my
                  interpretation instead of your rather narrow
                  interpretation) would be the most likely to gain
                  consensus, frankly. I think such is unnecessary, but
                  _IF_ you insist on the (oddly) narrow interpretation
                  of 3.6 you have put forth, then…</div>
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                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/07/2020
                          21:52, Owen DeLong wrote:<br class="">
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                                AM, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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                                    20/07/2020 13:39, Owen DeLong wrote:<br class="">
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                                      This is an absurd claim. The
                                      standard (as you mention below) is
                                      a “raise of hands” vote. This
                                      mechanism even in person does not
                                      allow people to verify that their
                                      vote was cast correctly, nor is it
                                      fully auditable (indeed, it has no
                                      audit trail and is not at all
                                      audible).</div>
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                                    <div class="">Placing more stringent
                                      requirements than exist on the
                                      current system as an acceptance
                                      criteria for a system deployed
                                      urgently in a time of crisis makes
                                      little sense to me.</div>
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                                  You are not making the things easier
                                  given the circumstances and all has
                                  been been discussed here.<br class="">
                                  What is being said is analogous to
                                  raise of hand and is also a
                                  indisputable way to eliminate most
                                  possible fraud that have been pointed.<br class="">
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                            It is not my goal to make things easier for
                            you or even necessarily easier in general.</div>
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                          <div class="">It is my goal to achieve the
                            best possible outcome through a mechanism
                            that comes as close to applying the PDP
                            rules as possible.</div>
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                                          <div class=""><p class="">4 - In order to
                                              either choose another
                                              Co-Chair or to extend the
                                              current one term there
                                              must be a vote with raise
                                              of hands. There is no
                                              other way out of the PDP
                                              this can be done.<br class="">
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                                      This statement ignores CPM section
                                      3.6:</div>
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                                          rgb(117, 117, 117);" class="">3.6  Varying
                                          the Process</h3>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class=""><p style="box-sizing:
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                                          5px; caret-color: rgb(117,
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                                          117, 117); font-family:
                                          Roboto, sans-serif; font-size:
                                          14px;" class="">The process
                                          outlined in this document may
                                          vary in the case of an
                                          emergency. Variance is for use
                                          when a one-time waiving of
                                          some provision of this
                                          document is required.</p>
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                                          <li style="box-sizing:
                                            border-box;" class="">The
                                            decision to vary the process
                                            is taken by a Working Group
                                            Chair.</li>
                                          <li style="box-sizing:
                                            border-box;" class="">There
                                            must be an explanation about
                                            why the variance is needed.</li>
                                          <li style="box-sizing:
                                            border-box;" class="">The
                                            review period, including the
                                            Last Call, shall not be less
                                            than four weeks.</li>
                                          <li style="box-sizing:
                                            border-box;" class="">If
                                            there is consensus, the
                                            policy is approved and it
                                            must be presented at the
                                            next Public Policy Meeting.</li>
                                        </ol>
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                                      Clearly this is the kind of
                                      exceptional circumstance in which
                                      some variance could be justified.</div>
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                                  Sorry I don't see 3.6 applying to this
                                  situation on *any* of points
                                  mentioned. This section is about how
                                  the policies discussion, review, last
                                  call, etc work  1) As I understand
                                  this decision is not up to the Chairs
                                  to take 2)Yes, we are working on the
                                  explanation, but who will give it ?
                                  Normally is whoever take the decision.
                                  3) Nothing to do with elections 4)
                                  Nothing to do with the current
                                  scenario. There is no proper policy
                                  under discussion to be approved, only
                                  a discussion of what to do about the
                                  next elections.<br class="">
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                            It applies to all of the CPM ("The process
                            outlined in this document may vary…”).</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.
                            If not the co-chairs, then who?</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.
                            I think the explanation is well understood…
                            “Because in person meeting during the COVID
                            crisis is impossible.”</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.
                            I’m not so sure about this. Whatever
                            election process we decide on should be put
                            to a final community comment</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">         </span>period
                            of some form. I see no reason that should be
                            less than 4 weeks.</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.
                            So you’re saying that the determination of
                            how to (or whether to) conduct co-chair
                            elections should be made</div>
                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">         </span>by
                            some other method than community consensus
                            and should not be considered policy at least
                            for this meeting?</div>
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                          <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">         </span>How
                            does that work?</div>
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                                    <div class="">I still say that a
                                      (virtual) raising of hands using
                                      the mechanisms available in nearly
                                      every conferencing system capable
                                      of supporting</div>
                                    <div class="">this meeting has the
                                      following advantages:</div>
                                    <div class="">q<br class="">
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                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>Only
                                      meeting attendees may vote.</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>Botting
                                      your meeting attendance would be
                                      reasonably difficult, so it would
                                      be difficult for a person to stuff
                                      the ballot box.</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>It
                                      does meet the literal requirements
                                      of the existing PDP.</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>If
                                      we place reasonable bounds on
                                      meeting registration, we can avoid
                                      the so-called “sleeper cell”
                                      effect that some have</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">               </span>put
                                      forth as a concern. (Personally, I
                                      think this is less likely in a
                                      virtual meeting anyway).</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>5.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>If
                                      we place reasonable bounds on
                                      meeting registration, we also
                                      manage to prevent (2) from being a
                                      concern.</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>6.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>By
                                      “reasonable bounds”, I mean pick a
                                      date certain in the past by which
                                      one must have been subscribed to
                                      RPD.</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">               </span>Each
                                      email subscribed to RPD is
                                      entitled to one corresponding
                                      meeting registration if they
                                      choose to. No subscribed</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">               </span>email,
                                      no registration for the meeting.</div>
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                                  I quiet like this idea, and that is
                                  exactly which is under discussion in
                                  one of the policies that should
                                  advance, but this is not backed in any
                                  part of PDP as far as I know as the
                                  moment. Who will determine what date
                                  is this ?<br class="">
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                            <div class=""><br class="">
                            </div>
                            This would most certainly be a variation of
                            the PDP to meet the emergency as it exists
                            which would be permitted under 3.6, so, yes,</div>
                          <div class="">my argument here depends on my
                            argument above which you have claimed you
                            are not buying. However, hopefully with my
                            expansions on</div>
                          <div class="">the topic above, I can perhaps
                            convince you to change your mind and
                            recognize that without something like that,
                            we literally box</div>
                          <div class="">ourselves into a situation with
                            no way forward until such time as we can
                            arrange an in-person meeting. Personally, I
                            think that’s</div>
                          <div class="">far from the best outcome.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                              <div class="">
                                <div class="">
                                  <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CE966FE8-5868-492C-91B0-B1A6B36CE4BA@delong.com" class="">
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>7.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>My
                                      suggestions for the date certain
                                      would be the first day of the
                                      originally scheduled in person AIS
                                      2020 (May 31) or</div>
                                    <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">               </span>the
                                      originally scheduled first day of
                                      the public policy meeting (June 8
                                      IIRC).</div>
                                  </blockquote><p class="">This would make sense if
                                    there was basis for it, but
                                    currently there is AFAIK.</p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </blockquote>
                            The basis for it is 3.6. Read the CPM
                            carefully read 3.6. It’s not rocket science.
                            The CPM describes all of the policies, the
                            PDP, and the co-chair election process
                            within the one document. Section 3.6
                            provides for variance of the process[sic]
                            should be processes within</div>
                          <div class="">the document. That includes the
                            co-chair election process unless you can
                            show me why it does not.</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                          </div>
                          <div class="">Owen</div>
                          <div class=""><br class="">
                            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                              <div class="">
                                <div class=""><p class="">Fernando<br class="">
                                  </p>
                                  <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CE966FE8-5868-492C-91B0-B1A6B36CE4BA@delong.com" class="">
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">If anyone has a reason
                                      they don’t think this is viable,
                                      please express it. So far, I’ve
                                      seen lots of calls for other
                                      solutions, but this</div>
                                    <div class="">seems to be the
                                      approach with the fewest drawbacks
                                      and which can easily be
                                      implemented in time.</div>
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">Owen</div>
                                    <div class=""><br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="">
                                      <blockquote type="cite" class="">
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div class="">
                                            <div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
                                            </div><p class="">Regards<br class="">
                                              Fernando</p>
                                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
                                              20/07/2020 03:06, Daniel
                                              Yakmut wrote:<br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAB3X6meTt=Pw8az5fmYeO6vaSiNOLL8pkG91YuBemSAjFWiwOw@mail.gmail.com" class="">
                                              <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
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                                              <div dir="auto" class="">Dear
                                                All,
                                                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">We
                                                  arrive at the airport
                                                  and I will be turning
                                                  the simple matter
                                                  placed on the table
                                                  into a circus. The
                                                  simple matter was:</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">1.
                                                  We will have AIS 2020
                                                  online and in
                                                  September.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">2.
                                                  A Co-chair's  tenure
                                                  has already ended. So
                                                  an electronic election
                                                  is being proposed as
                                                  part of the AIS 2020
                                                  Agenda. The question
                                                  is, is this possible?</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">3.
                                                  It is a fact that the
                                                  Co-chair is currently
                                                  serving within an
                                                  extended period. </div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">4.
                                                  We now agree that the
                                                  introduction of
                                                  e-voting is
                                                  inevitable, as
                                                  demonstrated by the
                                                  pandemic.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">However
                                                  it is clear that</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">1.
                                                  We are going to have
                                                  an online meeting , as
                                                  nobody has disagreed
                                                  to that.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">2.
                                                  There is a strong
                                                  advocacy, for a
                                                  process to include
                                                  e-voting in the
                                                  Region, but the timing
                                                  is short. Therefore we
                                                  need to commence the
                                                  plan of creating an
                                                  enabling atmosphere to
                                                  integrate e-voting.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">3.
                                                  We need to ratify the
                                                  extended period for a
                                                  co-chair tentatively
                                                  for 12months. Which he
                                                  has spent a month or
                                                  so already.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">4.
                                                  Ensure we have an
                                                  acceptable e-voting
                                                  system ready for the
                                                  next date of election.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">5.
                                                  Let agreed clearly on
                                                  this simple issue and
                                                  prepare for the coming
                                                  meeting.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">Simply</div>
                                                <div dir="auto" class="">Daniel</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br class="">
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Jul 19, 2020 11:20 PM,
                                                  "Fernando Frediani"
                                                  <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="">
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                                                    <div dir="auto" class="">
                                                      <div class="">I
                                                        have read this
                                                        message and
                                                        several
                                                        questions come
                                                        to mind as for
                                                        example:</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">- What
                                                        basis was used
                                                        to say "it was
                                                        overwhelmingly"
                                                        rejected ?</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">- Who
                                                        actuallty
                                                        represents the
                                                        "current"
                                                        community to
                                                        state it was
                                                        "totally
                                                        rejected" ?</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">- Whats
                                                        basis was used
                                                        to say that it
                                                        would not work
                                                        in the region if
                                                        that works in
                                                        several other
                                                        places and RIRs
                                                        including, with
                                                        auditable
                                                        systems ?</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">- Whats
                                                        basis is used to
                                                        say rhe
                                                        community that
                                                        voted for the
                                                        current Co-Chair
                                                        in Kampla has
                                                        the same
                                                        confidence in
                                                        him and that he
                                                        would win ? It
                                                        seems more a
                                                        personal wish
                                                        than anything
                                                        based on fact or
                                                        logic.</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">- Even
                                                        in order to
                                                        extend the
                                                        current Co-Chair
                                                        term the PDP
                                                        MUST be followed
                                                        and there are no
                                                        other ways
                                                        written there
                                                        other than
                                                        another vote.
                                                        Otherwise how
                                                        can this be done
                                                        ?</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class="">Fernando</div>
                                                      <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 19 Jul 2020, 18:08 Emem William, <<a href="mailto:dwizard65@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">dwizard65@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="auto" class="">
                                                          <div dir="auto" class="">Dear
                                                          All, </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto" class="">I
                                                          can  recollect
                                                          that a similar
                                                          proposal was
                                                          proposed as a
                                                          policy and it
                                                          was
                                                          overwhelmingly
                                                          rejected in
                                                          Angola. The
                                                          current
                                                          community
                                                          totally
                                                          rejected the
                                                          policy no one
                                                          except the
                                                          authors
                                                          supported the
                                                          idea because
                                                          we know it
                                                          can't work in
                                                          this region.
                                                          Using online
                                                          voting now
                                                          would be like
                                                          passing the
                                                          policy using
                                                          the backdoor.
                                                          Am sure Jordie
                                                          would like
                                                          this idea and
                                                          hence his
                                                          enthusiasm.
                                                          However my
                                                          candid opinion
                                                          is that we
                                                          can't do this.
                                                          The most
                                                          appropriate
                                                          way forward is
                                                          to allow the
                                                          Co chair who
                                                          has been doing
                                                          a fantastic
                                                          job to
                                                          continue for
                                                          another 12
                                                          months or till
                                                          the next face
                                                          to face
                                                          meeting. The
                                                          community that
                                                          voted him in
                                                          Kampala still
                                                          have
                                                          confidence in
                                                          him. In any
                                                          case even with
                                                          an online
                                                          election he
                                                          would still
                                                          likely win but
                                                          I don't want
                                                          polices to be
                                                          passed through
                                                          the back door.
                                                          Therefore I
                                                          think the most
                                                          appropriate
                                                          way for this
                                                          has been
                                                          suggested as
                                                          an extension
                                                          for the
                                                          co-chair who's
                                                          seat would
                                                          have been
                                                          contested.</div>
                                                          <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto" class="">Cheers.</div>
                                                          <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="">Emem
                                                          E. William<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
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