<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 20, 2020, at 05:11 , Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Hello Daniel</p><p class="">Thanks for putting a resume. So to add up I have the following:</p><p class="">1 - Section 3.3 of the PDP it says: "<i class="">The PDWG Chairs are
chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public Policy Meeting
and serve staggered two-year terms</i>". The Public Policy
Meeting will be held online. It also says: "<i class="">Anyone present at
the meeting, whether in person <b class="">or by remote participation</b>,
may participate in the selection process for a temporary Chair.</i>"</p><p class="">2 - Who can be present at this meeting ? Only those present
(therefore registered) to participate, not all registered in this
email list.<br class="">
</p><p class="">3 - The choosing of the e-voting system is a AfriNic staff task
and there are different system already used for the very same
proposes as for example the LACNIC's one. It must be a system that
allow people to verify their vote was cast correctly and be fully
auditable.</p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>This is an absurd claim. The standard (as you mention below) is a “raise of hands” vote. This mechanism even in person does not allow people to verify that their vote was cast correctly, nor is it fully auditable (indeed, it has no audit trail and is not at all audible).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Placing more stringent requirements than exist on the current system as an acceptance criteria for a system deployed urgently in a time of crisis makes little sense to me.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">4 - In order to either choose another Co-Chair or to extend the
current one term there must be a vote with raise of hands. There
is no other way out of the PDP this can be done.<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This statement ignores CPM section 3.6:</div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div><h3 style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.1; color: rgb(117, 117, 117); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 10px; font-size: 24px; caret-color: rgb(117, 117, 117);" class="">3.6 <a id="Varying-Process" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(210, 114, 70); transition: color 400ms, background-color 400ms;" class=""></a>Varying the Process</h3></div><div><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 5px; caret-color: rgb(117, 117, 117); color: rgb(117, 117, 117); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class="">The process outlined in this document may vary in the case of an emergency. Variance is for use when a one-time waiving of some provision of this document is required.</p></div></blockquote><div><ol style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 10px; caret-color: rgb(117, 117, 117); color: rgb(117, 117, 117); font-family: Roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" class=""><ol class=""><li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">The decision to vary the process is taken by a Working Group Chair.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">There must be an explanation about why the variance is needed.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">The review period, including the Last Call, shall not be less than four weeks.</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box;" class="">If there is consensus, the policy is approved and it must be presented at the next Public Policy Meeting.</li></ol></ol><div><br class=""></div>Clearly this is the kind of exceptional circumstance in which some variance could be justified.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I still say that a (virtual) raising of hands using the mechanisms available in nearly every conferencing system capable of supporting</div><div>this meeting has the following advantages:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Only meeting attendees may vote.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Botting your meeting attendance would be reasonably difficult, so it would be difficult for a person to stuff the ballot box.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It does meet the literal requirements of the existing PDP.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>If we place reasonable bounds on meeting registration, we can avoid the so-called “sleeper cell” effect that some have</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>put forth as a concern. (Personally, I think this is less likely in a virtual meeting anyway).</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>5.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>If we place reasonable bounds on meeting registration, we also manage to prevent (2) from being a concern.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>By “reasonable bounds”, I mean pick a date certain in the past by which one must have been subscribed to RPD.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Each email subscribed to RPD is entitled to one corresponding meeting registration if they choose to. No subscribed</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>email, no registration for the meeting.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>7.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>My suggestions for the date certain would be the first day of the originally scheduled in person AIS 2020 (May 31) or</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the originally scheduled first day of the public policy meeting (June 8 IIRC).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If anyone has a reason they don’t think this is viable, please express it. So far, I’ve seen lots of calls for other solutions, but this</div><div>seems to be the approach with the fewest drawbacks and which can easily be implemented in time.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">Regards<br class="">
Fernando</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/07/2020 03:06, Daniel Yakmut
wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear All,
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<div dir="auto" class="">We arrive at the airport and I will be turning
the simple matter placed on the table into a circus. The
simple matter was:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">1. We will have AIS 2020 online and in
September.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">2. A Co-chair's tenure has already ended. So an
electronic election is being proposed as part of the AIS 2020
Agenda. The question is, is this possible?</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">3. It is a fact that the Co-chair is currently
serving within an extended period. </div>
<div dir="auto" class="">4. We now agree that the introduction of
e-voting is inevitable, as demonstrated by the pandemic.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">However it is clear that</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">1. We are going to have an online meeting , as
nobody has disagreed to that.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">2. There is a strong advocacy, for a process to
include e-voting in the Region, but the timing is short.
Therefore we need to commence the plan of creating an enabling
atmosphere to integrate e-voting.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">3. We need to ratify the extended period for a
co-chair tentatively for 12months. Which he has spent a month
or so already.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">4. Ensure we have an acceptable e-voting system
ready for the next date of election.</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">5. Let agreed clearly on this simple issue and
prepare for the coming meeting.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Simply</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Daniel</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 19, 2020 11:20 PM, "Fernando
Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="">
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<div class="">I have read this message and several questions come
to mind as for example:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">- What basis was used to say "it was
overwhelmingly" rejected ?</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">- Who actuallty represents the "current"
community to state it was "totally rejected" ?</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">- Whats basis was used to say that it
would not work in the region if that works in several
other places and RIRs including, with auditable systems
?</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">- Whats basis is used to say rhe community
that voted for the current Co-Chair in Kampla has the
same confidence in him and that he would win ? It seems
more a personal wish than anything based on fact or
logic.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">- Even in order to extend the current
Co-Chair term the PDP MUST be followed and there are no
other ways written there other than another vote.
Otherwise how can this be done ?</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Fernando</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 19 Jul 2020,
18:08 Emem William, <<a href="mailto:dwizard65@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">dwizard65@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear All, </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I can recollect that a similar
proposal was proposed as a policy and it was
overwhelmingly rejected in Angola. The current
community totally rejected the policy no one
except the authors supported the idea because we
know it can't work in this region. Using online
voting now would be like passing the policy
using the backdoor. Am sure Jordie would like
this idea and hence his enthusiasm. However my
candid opinion is that we can't do this. The
most appropriate way forward is to allow the Co
chair who has been doing a fantastic job to
continue for another 12 months or till the next
face to face meeting. The community that voted
him in Kampala still have confidence in him. In
any case even with an online election he would
still likely win but I don't want polices to be
passed through the back door. Therefore I think
the most appropriate way for this has been
suggested as an extension for the co-chair who's
seat would have been contested.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Cheers.</div>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="">Emem E.
William<br class="">
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