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<p>Folks, all this make sense if we were discussing a policy
proposal, but reality is that this currently is NOT part of PDP
and therefore cannot be applied right now, even given the current
and exceptional scenario we are going through.</p>
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<p>Let's stick to the PDP which currently can give us the following:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>1) Apply what is currently on section 3.3. Either an extension or
a an election of a new person can only be decided this way
currently.<br>
</p>
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</p>
<p>2) Carry on the discussion, progress and ratification of
AFPUB-2019-GEN-007-DRAFT01 which in my view solves all these
issues permanently and for not only this but other different
scenarios.</p>
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<p>Regards<br>
Fernando Frediani</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/07/2020 12:08, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
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<p>I like what Sami (and Jordi and others) have suggested in
essence.<br>
<br>
Use the RPD Mailing list - of active participants.<br>
<br>
I believe that if someone participates in the RPD Mailing list -
they have the right to vote. I further believe there is a very
low chance that people who have written comments (etc) on the
RPD Mailing list are robots.<br>
<br>
If someone wants to vote - they should ***already*** have
participated in discussions.<br>
<br>
Yes - there should be date based cut-offs - and a level (No of
postings) of participation.<br>
<br>
I personally would like to see this as a permanent move.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020/07/16 13:09, Sami Salih
wrote:<br>
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<span>Salam Eddy, All<br>
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<div>It's clear that we don't have any another choice than
relying on the rpd, thus we have to consider the followings:<br>
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<div>1) Mitigating the (sleeper cells) effect, not all
subscribers are real participants, hence I recommend to
apply a light filter such as minimum of 10 posts before
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<div>2) I would prefer an in-house develop system to perform
as follows:<br>
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<div> i- Send eligibility email to those who satisfy the
conditions in (1), with a link to register for voting,<br>
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<div> ii- then the voting credentials send only to
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<div>I didn't see any harm if the community see that I voted
to someone, even in show of hands the session record
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JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:40 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process</font>
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the way it works, seems very very close to what LACNIC
is using (I believe the developed in-house, but I’m not
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
platform has been recommended to me and code is
available: <a href="https://heliosvoting.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://heliosvoting.org</a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
16 Jul 2020, at 11:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
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all,</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">LACNIC
always do this remotely and electronically,
using the subscribers in the RPD mailing list
at some point before the process starts (to
avoid “lots of friends” not really “part of
the PDP” to join the day before the voting).</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I will
think it is the best choice we have in
replacement for a non-in-person-meeting.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">I think
they could help in providing the platform or
the code or something similar, in case you
don’t have already an existing platform to do
that.</span></p>
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"Eddy Kayihura" <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">eddy@afrinic.net</span></a>>
escribió:</p>
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PDWG community members<br>
<br>
The Public Policy Meeting will be on the agenda
of the Africa Internet Summit 2020 (AIS-20)<span
class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><span
lang="EN-US">in</span>September. One PDWG
co-chair’s term (one year) will end during the
Public Policy Meeting.<span
class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
The election process for the PDWG co-chair
(please see<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</span></a><span
class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>for
more details) says that voting shall be by a
simple show of hands. However, this Public
Policy meeting shall be held online.<br>
<br>
We are therefore requesting feedback from the
community on how AFRINIC can best proceed with
the election to fill the vacant seat of one PDP
co-chair. We shall be delighted to receive your
proposals for this important matter<span
class="x_apple-converted-space"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-US">and hope we can have a consensus
within a week.</span><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Eddy<br>
<br>
<span lang="EN-US">-----</span><br>
<br>
Chers membres de la communauté du PDWG,<br>
<br>
La réunion de politique publique sera à l'ordre
du jour du Sommet Africain de l'Internet 2020
(AIS-20) qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre
2020. Le mandat d'un des coprésidents du PDWG
(un an) prendra fin pendant la réunion de
politique publique.<br>
<br>
Le processus d'élection du coprésident du PDWG
(voir<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election</span></a><span
class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span>pour
plus de détails) prévoit que le vote se fera à
main levée. Toutefois, cette réunion de
politique publique se tiendra en ligne.<br>
<br>
Nous demandons donc à la communauté de nous
faire part de ses commentaires sur la meilleure
façon pour AFRINIC de procéder à l'élection pour
pourvoir le siège vacant d'un coprésident du
PDP. Nous serons ravis de recevoir vos
propositions sur cette importante question<span
class="x_apple-converted-space"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-US">et esperons avoir un consensus
dans une semaine.</span><br>
<br>
Cordialement,<br>
<br>
Eddy<br>
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<br>
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