<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Dear Murungi,<div><br></div><div>Maybe you missed my point......We would comment on a mailing list only WHEN & IF we chose to....we don’t have to follow “suit” or contribute in a certain way...being an active and contributing member of afrinic come in different ways and not only the way you think....</div><div><br></div><div>Rgds </div><div>Mary-Jane </div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 16 Jul 2020, at 17:18, Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Dear Mary,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Glad to “hear” your voice. Yes really - the organization I work for has been an AFRINIC member since 2009. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t know about your ‘cave' but my cave is nice and cozy. Certainly, you have a right to remain in your cave. Kindly pardon me if I made it sound like it is a must for you to come out of your cave. But as I mentioned before, staying silent robs the whole community of different trains of thought. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As members, I believe part of our responsibility is to take part in all conversations. This will fix the current scenario we have on the lists - a handful of voices dictating the course of all conversations and assuming that we are all okay with it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, am glad to hear from you as am sure are many others. To all other ‘cave' dwellers - Mambo vipi.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Murungi Daniel</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 16, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Mary-Jane Sule <<a href="mailto:mjaysule@gmail.com" class="">mjaysule@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Dear Murungi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wldnt have answered to any of these mails but for your comment that says <br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">I have been a passive observer of various AFRINIC lists for many years now. Am venturing out of my cave, the rest should follow suit. </span></font></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Really?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div> Ok we all are different and have different personalities that you did it doesn’t mean others must. <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);" class="">Good for you as you have decided.....</span> Infact variety is how the world works you need to know that...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That some one is part of a mailing list or a group must even count for something....We CAN’T all do or be the same even in a nuclear family. Forcing some one to do or be something in YOUR way may amount to bullying....I would guess part of the deal with AFRINIC is to be leaders who can accommodate as many irrespective of our nature/personalities</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rgds </div><div class="">Mary-Jane <br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 16 Jul 2020, at 16:18, Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" class="">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class="">Dear Yakmut,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have been a passive observer of various AFRINIC lists for many years now. Am venturing out of my cave, the rest should follow suit. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The suggestions are not an attempt at suppressing anyone. They are simply suggestions to address the challenges presented to us. We have no mandate to adopt them unless we get consensus from the community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Additionally, simply voting without being apart of the conversation robs the whole community of trains of thought we might have missed. It also amplifies concerns about “sleeper agents”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is great that you are raising criticisms and figuring out loopholes. Kindly posit some recommendations as well. Advising that we abandon the election simply kicks the problem down the line.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Murungi Daniel</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Dear All,<div dir="auto" class="">How do we generate a voters register? How do we verify that the voters are humans not robots? </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Let us remember, there are people who will never participate in exchanges on the rpd, but when it comes to voting they will vote, because they have been passive observers. So tying any condition like no. of posts is an exclusion agenda.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">It is an attempt by the vocal minority to suppress the silent majority, and this is a recipe for commotion.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">That is why I posit that, agreeing to terms and conditions for e-voting in a polarise environment will take time, intense discussions, confidence building and trust. This I am not sure we can achieve before September.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hence, the tenure extension will allow us resolve all issues. I think e-voting is inevitable in the foreseeable future.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Simply,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Daniel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 16, 2020 12:55 PM, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" class="">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello all,<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Yes I will gave to agree with the extension of the period of service of the current co-chair whose tenure is about to expire. In as much as almost every process in the is pandemic era will benefit from virtual participations we need to look at the intricacies of the current suggestions for using rpd participants and remote voting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I can remember that a policy regarding electronic voting was rejected due to loopholes in the proposal. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Secondly disenfranchising folks who will love to participate even in the last minute should not be justifiable.</div><div class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thursday, July 16, 2020, Taiwo Oyewande <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Eddy, Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At a time like this, based on the importance of the co-chair election to the policy development process, the standing election process that clearly states a show of hands and the delicate nature of this election, i will like to suggest that the period of service of the current co-chair be extended till the next face to face meeting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class="">Taiwo</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:48, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">Yep, in fact looking at the features and the way it works, seems very very close to what LACNIC is using (I believe the developed in-house, but I’m not sure).<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 16/7/20 12:35, "Mike Silber" <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This platform has been recommended to me and code is available: <a href="https://heliosvoting.org/" target="_blank" class="">https://heliosvotin<wbr class="">g.org</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">Hi Eddy, all,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">LACNIC always do this remotely and electronically, using the subscribers in the RPD mailing list at some point before the process starts (to avoid “lots of friends” not really “part of the PDP” to join the day before the voting).</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">I will think it is the best choice we have in replacement for a non-in-person-meeting.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">I think they could help in providing the platform or the code or something similar, in case you don’t have already an existing platform to do that.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">Regards,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">Jordi</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">@jordipalet</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 16/7/20 11:47, "Eddy Kayihura" <<a href="mailto:eddy@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#0563c1" class="">eddy@afrinic.net</span></a>> escribió:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear PDWG community members<br class=""><br class="">The Public Policy Meeting will be on the agenda of the Africa Internet Summit 2020 (AIS-20)<span class=""> </span><span lang="EN-US" class="">in</span>September. One PDWG co-chair’s term (one year) will end during the Public Policy Meeting.<span class=""> </span><br class=""><br class="">The election process for the PDWG co-chair (please see<span class=""> </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#0563c1" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/po<wbr class="">licy/development-working-group<wbr class="">#election</span></a><span class=""> </span>for more details) says that voting shall be by a simple show of hands. However, this Public Policy meeting shall be held online.<br class=""><br class="">We are therefore requesting feedback from the community on how AFRINIC can best proceed with the election to fill the vacant seat of one PDP co-chair. We shall be delighted to receive your proposals for this important matter<span class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class="">and hope we can have a consensus within a week.</span><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Eddy<br class=""><br class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">-----</span><br class=""><br class="">Chers membres de la communauté du PDWG,<br class=""><br class="">La réunion de politique publique sera à l'ordre du jour du Sommet Africain de l'Internet 2020 (AIS-20) qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre 2020. Le mandat d'un des coprésidents du PDWG (un an) prendra fin pendant la réunion de politique publique.<br class=""><br class="">Le processus d'élection du coprésident du PDWG (voir<span class=""> </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:#0563c1" class="">https://www.afrinic.net/<wbr class="">policy/development-working-gro<wbr class="">up#election</span></a><span class=""> </span>pour plus de détails) prévoit que le vote se fera à main levée. Toutefois, cette réunion de politique publique se tiendra en ligne.<br class=""><br class="">Nous demandons donc à la communauté de nous faire part de ses commentaires sur la meilleure façon pour AFRINIC de procéder à l'élection pour pourvoir le siège vacant d'un coprésident du PDP. 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