<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope all is well with you and yours. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In order for this conversation (and other conversations born out of the original thread) to be productive, we need to agree on some basics;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) Patience, empathy and understanding</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think we all agree that everyone processes and understands various topics at different rates. As such, each one of us (members and co-chairs) need to develop the patience and empathy required to listen and absorb what any member has to say. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) The “out to get me” syndrome</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We all (members and co-chairs) need to have the confidence that criticisms and differences in opinion do not constitute personal attacks. Anyone who joins and chooses to participate in any conversation on this list does so because they believe they have something to offer. Am sure I speak for everyone when I say - Any member with the express purpose of “getting someone” does not belong on this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3) Relevance of topics to the RPD</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">a) As the name indicates and as some have pointed out, this is the “Resource Policy Discussion list”. In order for a topic to be relevant, it must match the criteria below;</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>i) Reference an AFRINIC resource:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">         </span>- From the AFRINIC website "About page" - Internet number resources [IP addresses, ASNs]. </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">            </span>- RPD list; </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">            </span>I don’t know how many will agree with this but my personal view is this list is a resource since the outputs generated enable AFRINIC to achieve the goal of Bottom up policy development. </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">                </span>As such, discussions about the list itself should be permitted.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>ii) Reference an existing policy or propose a new policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">b) The original thread - “Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Am of the view that we (Co-chairs and members) missed it on this one. The Co-chairs haphazardly determined that the topic was irrelevant. In order to determine relevance of this topic, the Co-chairs should have asked the member who made the initial post the following questions;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>i) Do the actions of the accused violate any existing policy? (At this point whether the accused did what they are accused of mistakenly or knowingly is irrelevant)</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>ii) If yes to question (i), Which policy (with a clear description of what section was violated)? </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">           </span>Based on the answer to this question, the community and Co-chairs can discuss and agree on whether the accused violated the policy in question.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span>iii) Do you have suggestions on how the violated policy can be improved or do you have any suggestions for a new policy that would help prevent future violations?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Failure by the person who made the original post to effectively answer questions 3(b)(i) and 3(b)(ii) would automatically determine the post as irrelevant to the RPD list. This approach has the added advantage of effectively proving to the community that the Co-chairs have no bias towards the accused or the accuser.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">4) Code of conduct violations</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unfortunately, this list is a text based list. Members and Co-chairs are not able to read facial queues nor hear vocal tones to judge one’s state of mind or emotions. All we have is the text that is posted in response to a topic that is under discussion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As such, any accusation of a code of conduct violation should clearly specify what section of the code of conduct was violated and point out the text snippet(s) which violated the code of conduct. Simply repeating that the code of conduct was violated without any proof amplifies fears that the Co-chairs are either biased against the accused or are using their position to punish members over perceived personal grudges.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To all who have read the above in it’s entirety, thank you for your patience.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class="">Murungi Daniel </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div class=""><p class="">Dear Murungi "my namesake as we say in my village",</p><p class="">Your statement below is clearly one of the challenges in our
      community, and i strongly agree that we could've and should do
      better on looking at policy proposals critically and how it
      impacts us in the future. However, the unnecessary diversions can
      easily remove our focus on real matter "Policies".</p><p class="">I agree we need to re-focus and agree to disagree.<br class="">
    </p><p class="">"I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy resource
      assignments (plus the policies that support them) which plague
      AFRINIC are due to the fact that we as community members did not
      actively question the actions and decisions made by AFRINIC
      management. Plus many of us did not fully understand nor take time
      to scrutinize policy proposals from members and their future
      impact. Thus, we all fell short of our responsibility as stewards
      of the IP resources dear to us."</p><p class="">Simply,</p><p class="">Daniel<br class="">
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2020 6:34 am, Murungi Daniel
      wrote:<br class="">
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      Dear Emem,
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      <div class="">You have made strong baseless accusations against me
        on a public forum. I write to address them.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">I did not choose to be active on this list out of
        boredom and neither is it because I have nothing else to do. I
        don’t know you or most of the people on this list personally. So
        for you and others to accuse me of plotting personal attacks on
        members without clearly specifying supporting statements is not
        only slanderous but a cause for concern. </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">This list is for discussion of all matters related
        to governance and assignment of IP address on the African
        continent. These discussions, provide the building blocks for
        the policies which govern IP resource usage and assignment. </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">All my replies to any topic on this list are in
        response to what has been posted by members. When I ask a
        question (as is my right), it is always in response to a
        statement made by a community member. </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Additionally, IMHO, yourself and a couple of others
        continue to use the word chaos without justification. I believe
        this is unnecessary gas lighting and should be stopped
        immediately.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">I am of the view that all the scandals and dodgy
        resource assignments (plus the policies that support them) which
        plague AFRINIC are due to the fact that we as community members
        did not actively question the actions and decisions made by
        AFRINIC management. Plus many of us did not fully understand nor
        take time to scrutinize policy proposals from members and their
        future impact. Thus, we all fell short of our responsibility as
        stewards of the IP resources dear to us. </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">In closing, when I or any other member asks for
        clarification on a decision taken by AFRINIC management or on a
        statement made in reply to a post (from any member), a timely
        and concise response should be provided. Not deflections and
        accusations of inciting chaos and personal attacks.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Regards,</div>
      <div class="">Daniel</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">
        <div class=""><br class="">
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            <div class="">On Jun 7, 2020, at 2:01 AM, Emem William <<a href="mailto:dwizard65@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dwizard65@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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                <div dir="auto" class="">Dear Marcus and Daniel,</div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">I have been observing you
                  silently expecting that with time you'll come to the
                  consciousness of the code of conduct that governs the
                  AFRINIC mailing list.</div>
                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">Please we did not sign onto
                  this mailing list so that you can attack those with
                  whom you have personal differences. </div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">We are fully in support of the
                  Co-chair's decision cos it's imperative to restore
                  sanctity in this mailing list. Like he said, we want a
                  stable AFRINIC not one with chaos and disorderliness. </div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">Co-chairs. Please keep doing
                  the wonderful job you that you were elected to do. </div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">We fully support you.</div>
                <div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
                </div>
                <div dir="auto" class="">Regards,</div>
                <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="">Emem
                  WILLIAM<br class="">
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 6, 2020,
                  23:24 BINEMO SHADIMIADI Jean Guelord <<a href="mailto:guelordshadimiadi@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">guelordshadimiadi@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br class="">
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                  <div dir="auto" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">Bonjour et Bonsoir chers tous, je
                        commence par mon adage « Ver  qu’on fait</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> plus de cas de l’opinion que la vie ;
                        on se battait pour se venger</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> ou se faire des ennemies ? Cette
                        sauvagerie développait à un</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">haut degré de l’énergie individuel,
                        elle formait des amitiés solides,</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">mais elle ôtait à l’opinion de tout 
                        son pouvoir. La société se divisait</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> en petit group bien unis, mais chacun
                        autours d’un protecteurs</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">. »</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">Chers tous, j’ai croit que nous
                        oublions la mission que nous avons ici</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">, et on se focalise sur le personne,
                        les intérêts personnel  et le débat</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> sur les hors normes d’AFRINIC ; je
                        demande à toute un chacun de</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">bien vouloir mettre de l’eau dans son
                        pot de vin !</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">Se réfèrent au message de  ABDULKARIM 
                        je cite  (Your last  email has clearly</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> violated the last warning earlier 
                        issued  by the Co-Chair. Therefore</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> we are left with no choice than to
                        moderate any</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> email you send onto this mailing list.
                        This would be reviewed after a week.</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">I would have to say that this is a very
                        slippery slope we are treading down</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">.) ;  ne pouvez pas nous amener à se
                        contre attaquer comme si on était</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> ennemies plus tôt nous sommes membres
                        d’une même communauté et</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">chacun dans son coin cherche le bien de
                        la communauté AFRI NIC, si on se</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> référence à de principes de débat : il
                        ya la tolérance, unité, universalité</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> et le respect des opinons des uns et 
                        autres, alors commençons</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> par d’abord respecter l’opinion de
                        ABDULKARIM, puis vérifions</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> si cela viole les normes de débat dans
                        le PDP et en faire le</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">proposition au cochairs pour soit
                        retirer le débat ou recadre le débat</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">.</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">Si des cochairs sont élus par  la
                        Communauté, principalement pour organisent</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> et modèrent des discussions autour du
                        PDP.   C’est-à-dire les</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> cochaires ont aussi le pouvoir de
                        retirer un débat qui ne met pas</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">
                      <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">les membres de la communauté en unité,
                        en paix pour le bien de</span> <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">l’évolution de l’internet en Afrique 
                        ou donner les orientations. Concentrons-nous</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> sur notre mission pour lequel nous
                        sommes ici, évitons</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> de personnaliser le débat, de se
                        rendre justice tant que les cochaires</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> sont là. Personnellement je soutien et
                        respecte l’avis ABDULKARIM</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> puisque cela reste sont point de vie.
                        Et demandent à tout le</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> monde d’orienter le débat sur
                        l’évolution que nous mettre dans la défense</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""> des personnes.</span></b></div>
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                         1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
                      Displays Very Poor,<br class="">
                            If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Marcus K. G.
                      Adomey)<br class="">
                         2. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13 (Blaise
                      Fyama)<br class="">
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                      Message: 1<br class="">
                      Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 17:20:10 +0000<br class="">
                      From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br class="">
                      Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>,<br class="">
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                      Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
                      Innovation Displays Very<br class="">
                              Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship<br class="">
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                      Dear Abdulkarim,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      You were disruptive by trying to prevent the
                      discussions to ever happen or happen on rpd.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      The bad actions and examples shall be allowed to
                      be called out strongly.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Community ignored your rant and kept discussions
                      going without cochairs and made progress.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      The community does not elect cochairs to censor
                      discussions while chosing which topics to be
                      discussed on rpd list.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      While enforcing CoC is part of your role, it does
                      not prescribe what I said above. In fact, you have
                      so far not been able to provide an official reason
                      for censorship of posts by Noah, a senior member
                      of this community<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Community elected cochairs are expected to be
                      neutral and mainly organize and moderate
                      discussions around the PDP. This is one more
                      question about your neutrality<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      As we kept saying, a well organized and structured
                      discussion style would  prevent many deviations
                      and encourage more participation.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Cultural and linguistic diversities plus different
                      levels  of expertise, which all make the beauty of
                      our community, have to be well exploited for the
                      good.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Many people feel frustrated and under attack with
                      responses from others  because of the differences
                      in the understandings.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Marcus<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      ________________________________<br class="">
                      From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br class="">
                      Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:09 PM<br class="">
                      To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      Cc: Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>;
                      Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>;
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                      Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
                      Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal,
                      Netizenship<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Dear Marcus,<br class="">
                      Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was
                      useful and am sure you would agree with us that it
                      became useful when no one felt under attack.<br class="">
                      Its that type of discussions that the code of
                      conduct we all signed up to permits.  We were
                      never disruptive maybe you meant constructive as
                      we were only doing the job the community elected
                      us to do.<br class="">
                      Cheers<br class="">
                      Co-Chair<br class="">
                      Cheers and Have<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey
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                      wrote:<br class="">
                      I have not seen any response to this query and the
                      followup discussions on the incident on rpd has
                      proven to be useful for the mandate and scope of
                      the PDP.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      You were just disruptive and you must stop this
                      recurrent censorship as others have said.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Please reinstate immediately Noah?s posting rights
                      with apologies.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Regards,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Marcus<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      ________________________________<br class="">
                      From: Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>><br class="">
                      Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM<br class="">
                      To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>><br class="">
                      Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>>;
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                      Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud
                      Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal,
                      Netizenship<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Dear Abdulkarim,<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal
                      attack and chaos you mentioned in your last email.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Regards,<br class="">
                      Daniel<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO
                      OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Dear Murungi,<br class="">
                      I have no issues with transparency, infact what I
                      want is transparency. What we don't want is chaos.
                      I don't think you would tolerate someone attacking
                      you personally.<br class="">
                      Thanks<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      +1 @Mark Tinka.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with
                      transparency on this list. Granted, some of Noah?s
                      words may be heavy handed ( he is a passionate
                      fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are
                      proposing.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for
                      stifling member voices or punishing what you
                      perceive to be a personal slight.<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Regards,<br class="">
                      Daniel<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      >> Dear Noah,<br class="">
                      >> Your last  email has clearly violated the
                      last warning earlier issued<br class="">
                      >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left
                      with no choice than to moderate<br class="">
                      >> any email you send onto this mailing
                      list. This would be reviewed<br class="">
                      >> after a week.<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > I would have to say that this is a very
                      slippery slope we are treading down.<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > Mark.<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
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                      Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 19:25:37 +0200<br class="">
                      From: Blaise Fyama <<a href="mailto:bfyama@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
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                      To: Josu? Vangu <<a href="mailto:vangumabika@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">vangumabika@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
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                      Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 165, Issue 13<br class="">
                      Message-ID:<br class="">
                              <CAPehF5eXiCMsPGQuY58-04XpNBy=fN_4=<a href="mailto:6TCUQpkWqUjkzvgKw@mail.gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">6TCUQpkWqUjkzvgKw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br class="">
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                      Pour ma part une intimidation savamment moul?e
                      dans une r?clamation n'est<br class="">
                      pas bonne.<br class="">
                      Si nous nous consid?rions les uns les autres on
                      comprendrait que dans tous<br class="">
                      nos ?crits il ya la lettre et l'esprit de la
                      lettre.<br class="">
                      Les attaques sybillines et cibl?es que l'on se
                      m?ne sous couvert dans le<br class="">
                      groupe ne doivent pas exag?rer.  Et quand le
                      co-chair joue son r?le<br class="">
                      d'arbitre ce n'est absolument pas une occasion de
                      l'intimider. La libert?<br class="">
                      est bonne lorsqu'on l'utilise pour le bien de
                      tous.<br class="">
                      Ce qui est juste est juste!<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      Blaise FYAMA<br class="">
                      Msc, PhD.<br class="">
                      Professeur Associ?<br class="">
                      Secr?taire G?n?ral Acad?mique Honoraire/UL<br class="">
                      Doyen de la Facult? des Sciences Informatiques/UPL<br class="">
                      Doyen a.i de la Facult? Polytechnique/UPL<br class="">
                      Chef de D?partement G?nie Electrique/ESI-UNILU<br class="">
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                      Le sam. 6 juin 2020 ? 18:53, Josu? Vangu <<a href="mailto:vangumabika@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">vangumabika@gmail.com</a>>
                      a ?crit :<br class="">
                      <br class="">
                      > Bonsoir ? tous,<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > Je pense que nous devons rester focus et
                      ?volutif sur les discussions des<br class="">
                      > politiques, s'attarder sur le sujet nous
                      m?nent ? rien.<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > Il y a eu un avertissement pr?c?dent,  s'il
                      n'a pas ?t? respect? quoi de<br class="">
                      > plus normal que de subir des mesures
                      disciplinaires qui seront revus dans<br class="">
                      > une semaine comme j'ai lu, laissons les
                      copr?sidents faire leur travail.<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > --------<br class="">
                      > Josu? Vangu<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
                      > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S9<br class="">
                      ><br class="">
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                      >>    1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud
                      Innovation Displays Very Poor,<br class="">
                      >>       If Not Criminal, Netizenship
                      (Arnaud AMELINA)<br class="">
                      >>    2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Cloud
                      Innovation Displays Very Poor,<br class="">
                      >>       If Not Criminal, Netizenship (Taiwo
                      Oyewande)<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >>
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                      >> Message: 1<br class="">
                      >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 04:08:21 +0000<br class="">
                      >> From: Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      >> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br class="">
                      >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>,<br class="">
                      >>         "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>"
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                      >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss]
                      Cloud Innovation Displays Very<br class="">
                      >>         Poor, If Not Criminal,
                      Netizenship<br class="">
                      >> Message-ID:<br class="">
                      >>       
                       <CAGDMR_fk9H6qf-TAsoPOd-sJtF2rY0kthGyvScxSkYp=<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:rd%2BHfw@mail.gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rd+Hfw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout
                      l'impression que ton jugement sur cette<br class="">
                      >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il
                      semblerait que certaines personnes<br class="">
                      >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils
                      veulent et d'intimider (ce que le code<br class="">
                      >> de conduite interdit) les autres
                      contributeurs , sans que tu ne te<br class="">
                      >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur
                      d'autres contributeurs ? chacune<br class="">
                      >> de<br class="">
                      >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais
                      des instructions pour le faire. De<br class="">
                      >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour
                      lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> En quoi est-ce une attaque que de
                      d?noncer une usurpation de ressources<br class="">
                      >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client
                      d'Afrinic constituerait une attaque<br class="">
                      >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de
                      conduite? Soit objectif et<br class="">
                      >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Cordialement<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Arnaud<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11, ABDULKARIM
                      AYOPO OLOYEDE <<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
                      a ?crit :<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> > Dear Marcus,<br class="">
                      >> > Yes, I agree that the follow-up
                      discussion was useful and am sure you<br class="">
                      >> > would agree with us that it became
                      useful when no one felt under attack.<br class="">
                      >> > Its that type of discussions that
                      the code of conduct we all signed up<br class="">
                      >> to<br class="">
                      >> > permits.  We were never disruptive
                      maybe you meant constructive as we<br class="">
                      >> were<br class="">
                      >> > only doing the job the community
                      elected us to do.<br class="">
                      >> > Cheers<br class="">
                      >> > Co-Chair<br class="">
                      >> > Cheers and Have<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM
                      Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a><br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > wrote:<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> I have not seen any response to
                      this query and the followup discussions<br class="">
                      >> >> on the incident on rpd has
                      proven to be useful for the mandate and<br class="">
                      >> scope of<br class="">
                      >> >> the PDP.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> You were just disruptive and you
                      must stop this recurrent censorship as<br class="">
                      >> >> others have said.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Please reinstate immediately
                      Noah?s posting rights with apologies.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Marcus<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> ------------------------------<br class="">
                      >> >> *From:* Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br class="">
                      >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2020
                      8:11 PM<br class="">
                      >> >> *To:* ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
                      <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br class="">
                      >> >> *Cc:* Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu
                      <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>;<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>
                      <<br class="">
                      >> >> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class="">
                      >> >> *Subject:* Re: [rpd]
                      [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very<br class="">
                      >> >> Poor, If Not Criminal,
                      Netizenship<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Dear Abdulkarim,<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Kindly elaborate on the details
                      of the personal attack and chaos you<br class="">
                      >> >> mentioned in your last email.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >> Daniel<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM,
                      ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<br class="">
                      >> >> <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Dear Murungi,<br class="">
                      >> >> I have no issues with
                      transparency, infact what I want is transparency.<br class="">
                      >> >> What we don't want is chaos. I
                      don't think you would tolerate someone<br class="">
                      >> >> attacking you personally.<br class="">
                      >> >> Thanks<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36
                      Murungi Daniel, <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> +1 @Mark Tinka.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have
                      an issue with transparency on this list.<br class="">
                      >> >> Granted, some of Noah?s words
                      may be heavy handed ( he is a passionate<br class="">
                      >> >> fellow) but I see no cause for
                      the action you are proposing.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD is not
                      to be wielded for stifling member<br class="">
                      >> voices<br class="">
                      >> >> or punishing what you perceive
                      to be a personal slight.<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >> Daniel<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29
                      AM, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>><br class="">
                      >> wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> > On 30/May/20 08:11,
                      ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> >> Dear Noah,<br class="">
                      >> >> >> Your last  email has
                      clearly violated the last warning earlier<br class="">
                      >> issued<br class="">
                      >> >> >> by the Co-Chair.
                      Therefore we are left with no choice than to<br class="">
                      >> moderate<br class="">
                      >> >> >> any email you send onto
                      this mailing list. This would be reviewed<br class="">
                      >> >> >> after a week.<br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> > I would have to say that
                      this is a very slippery slope we are<br class="">
                      >> treading<br class="">
                      >> >> down.<br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> > Mark.<br class="">
                      >> >> ><br class="">
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                      >> Message: 2<br class="">
                      >> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 09:50:21 +0100<br class="">
                      >> From: Taiwo Oyewande <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      >> To: Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      >> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>,<br class="">
                      >>         "<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>"
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                      >> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss]
                      Cloud Innovation Displays Very<br class="">
                      >>         Poor,   If Not Criminal,
                      Netizenship<br class="">
                      >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:57D0144E-FDAD-452E-8352-D2D229EBFA39@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">57D0144E-FDAD-452E-8352-D2D229EBFA39@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
                      >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Good day,<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> I think the co-chairs are doing the job
                      they were elected to do and we<br class="">
                      >> should commend them for a great job so
                      far. Just as @Murungi stated, Noah<br class="">
                      >> had some heavy handed words. Also the
                      co-chairs stated -rightfully-  that<br class="">
                      >> those messages were out of scope and the
                      RPD mailing list be used only for<br class="">
                      >> policy discussions to determine a way
                      forward in the community.<br class="">
                      >> I also agree with Marcus that Noah had
                      some constructive points laid out<br class="">
                      >> especially after the stern warning was
                      given. I think the co-chairs should<br class="">
                      >> be applauded for repositioning Noah?s
                      great knowledge back to the focus of<br class="">
                      >> the list and to further tap his
                      experience towards the development of the<br class="">
                      >> community.<br class="">
                      >> Please let us all keep positive, 
                      progressive and ofcos, safe.<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Taiwo<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> Sent from my iPhone<br class="">
                      >><br class="">
                      >> > On 6 Jun 2020, at 05:12, Arnaud
                      AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > ?<br class="">
                      >> > Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout
                      l'impression que ton jugement sur cette<br class="">
                      >> liste de discussion soit ?quitable. Il
                      semblerait que certaines personnes<br class="">
                      >> ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils
                      veulent et d'intimider (ce que le code<br class="">
                      >> de conduite interdit) les autres
                      contributeurs , sans que tu ne te<br class="">
                      >> manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur
                      d'autres contributeurs ? chacune de<br class="">
                      >> leur intervention comme si tu recevais
                      des instructions pour le faire. De<br class="">
                      >> gr?ce arr?tes ?a et fait le job pour
                      lequel tu as ?t? ?lu .<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > En quoi est-ce une attaque que de
                      d?noncer une usurpation de ressources<br class="">
                      >> (ASN) d'un client par un autre client
                      d'Afrinic constituerait une attaque<br class="">
                      >> personnelle comme stipul? dans le code de
                      conduite? Soit objectif et<br class="">
                      >> ?quitable dans tes d?cisions.<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > Cordialement<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> > Arnaud<br class="">
                      >> ><br class="">
                      >> >> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 ? 21:11,
                      ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
                      a ?crit :<br class="">
                      >> >> Dear Marcus,<br class="">
                      >> >> Yes, I agree that the follow-up
                      discussion was useful and am sure you<br class="">
                      >> would agree with us that it became useful
                      when no one felt under attack.<br class="">
                      >> >> Its that type of discussions
                      that the code of conduct we all signed up<br class="">
                      >> to permits.  We were never disruptive
                      maybe you meant constructive as we<br class="">
                      >> were only doing the job the community
                      elected us to do.<br class="">
                      >> >> Cheers<br class="">
                      >> >> Co-Chair<br class="">
                      >> >> Cheers and Have<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28
                      PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >>> I have not seen any response
                      to this query and the followup<br class="">
                      >> discussions on the incident on rpd has
                      proven to be useful for the mandate<br class="">
                      >> and scope of the PDP.<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> You were just disruptive and
                      you must stop this recurrent censorship<br class="">
                      >> as others have said.<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Please reinstate immediately
                      Noah?s posting rights with apologies.<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Marcus<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> From: Murungi Daniel <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020
                      8:11 PM<br class="">
                      >> >>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
                      <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu
                      <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>;
                      <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
                      >> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Subject: Re: [rpd]
                      [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very<br class="">
                      >> Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Dear Abdulkarim,<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Kindly elaborate on the
                      details of the personal attack and chaos you<br class="">
                      >> mentioned in your last email.<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >>> Daniel<br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> On May 31, 2020, at
                      10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<br class="">
                      >> <a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
                      wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> Dear Murungi,<br class="">
                      >> >>>> I have no issues with
                      transparency, infact what I want is<br class="">
                      >> transparency. What we don't want is
                      chaos. I don't think you would tolerate<br class="">
                      >> someone attacking you personally.<br class="">
                      >> >>>> Thanks<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020,
                      19:36 Murungi Daniel, <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br class="">
                      >> wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >>>> +1 @Mark Tinka.<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> @Abdulkarim, it seems
                      you have an issue with transparency on this<br class="">
                      >> list. Granted, some of Noah?s words may
                      be heavy handed ( he is a<br class="">
                      >> passionate fellow) but I see no cause for
                      the action you are proposing.<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> Your ?power? as Co -PWGD
                      is not to be wielded for stifling member<br class="">
                      >> voices or punishing what you perceive to
                      be a personal slight.<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> Regards,<br class="">
                      >> >>>> Daniel<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> > On May 31, 2020, at
                      10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>><br class="">
                      >> wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> > On 30/May/20 08:11,
                      ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:<br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> >> Dear Noah,<br class="">
                      >> >>>> >> Your last 
                      email has clearly violated the last warning
                      earlier<br class="">
                      >> issued<br class="">
                      >> >>>> >> by the
                      Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice
                      than to<br class="">
                      >> moderate<br class="">
                      >> >>>> >> any email you
                      send onto this mailing list. This would be
                      reviewed<br class="">
                      >> >>>> >> after a week.<br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> > I would have to say
                      that this is a very slippery slope we are<br class="">
                      >> treading down.<br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> > Mark.<br class="">
                      >> >>>> ><br class="">
                      >> >>>> >
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                        noreferrer" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
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                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>>> Website, Weekly Bulletin
                      UGPortal PGPortal<br class="">
                      >> >>>><br class="">
                      >> >>><br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >> Website, Weekly Bulletin
                      UGPortal PGPortal<br class="">
                      >> >><br class="">
                      >> >>
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