<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 31, 2020, at 11:40 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 31 May 2020, 20:11 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 31, 2020, at 00:27 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 31 May 2020, 05:16 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">IPv4 only continues to have value as long as eyeballs and content are not available on IPv6.</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">And the process to make both eyeballs and content available on IPv6 is a spontaneous one. We ought to consciously acknowledge this fact.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Not sure what you mean by your use of the word “spontaneous” here. In the words of Enigo Montoya… “I do not think it means what you think it means.”</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Trees/plants/humans dont grow up in one day. The process itself is unnoticeable depending on the prevailing conditions and Time (could be months or years). Growth is a spontaneous [1] process.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">We tried to encourage customers to deploy IPv6 and those who attempted to do it, did so at their own pace.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I guess you missed the key word “sudden” in that definition you cited…</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I believe the word you were looking for would be more appropriately “organic”…</div><div><br class=""></div><div>(From that same dictionary site)</div><div><h3 class="dsense_h" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: 1; font-size: 1rem; padding-top: 10px; color: rgb(93, 47, 193); padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif;"><span class="hw dsense_hw" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;">organic</span> <span class="pos dsense_pos" title="A word that describes a noun or pronoun." style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-style: italic; font-size: 0.875rem;">adjective</span> <span class="guideword dsense_gw" title="Guide word: helps you find the right meaning when a word has more than one meaning" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-size: 14px; text-transform: uppercase; vertical-align: 1px;">(<span style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; vertical-align: -1px;" class="">OF FOOD PRODUCTION</span>)</span></h3><div class="dsense_b sense-body" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; caret-color: rgb(29, 42, 87); color: rgb(29, 42, 87); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div class=" def-block ddef_block" data-wl-senseid="ID_00022581_01" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px;"><div class="dwl hax" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; position: relative; margin-top: 2px; border-top-width: thin; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(254, 196, 0);"><a amp-access="NOT loggedIn" class="dwla wordlist-add-button" title="Add this meaning to a word list" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: rgb(254, 196, 0); color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer; position: absolute; right: 0px; top: -12px; padding: 2px 8px; border-top-left-radius: 20px; border-top-right-radius: 20px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px; border-bottom-left-radius: 20px;"><span class="i i-plus" aria-hidden="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: inline-block; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: 1; font-family: ico-c; color: rgb(41, 41, 41); vertical-align: middle; text-rendering: auto;"></span> <span class="i i-list-ul" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: inline-block; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1; font-family: ico-c; color: rgb(41, 41, 41); vertical-align: middle; text-rendering: auto;"></span></a></div><div class="ddef_h" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 15px 0px 20px;"><span class="ddef-info def-info" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;"><span class="epp-xref dxref B2" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin-right: 3px; padding: 2px 6px; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: 700; font-size: 0.75rem; text-align: center; background-color: rgb(29, 41, 86); border-top-left-radius: 50px; border-top-right-radius: 50px; border-bottom-right-radius: 50px; border-bottom-left-radius: 50px;">B2</span></span><div class="def ddef_d db" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-weight: 700; margin-top: 10px; font-size: 18px; line-height: 1.5;">not using <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/artificial" title="artificial" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">artificial</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chemical" title="chemicals" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">chemicals</a> in the <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/growing" title="growing" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">growing</a> of <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/plant" title="plants" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">plants</a> and <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/animal" title="animals" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">animals</a> for <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food" title="food" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">food</a> and other <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/product" title="products" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">products</a>: </div></div><div class="def-body ddef_b" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin-bottom: 20px; font-size: 18px;"><div class="examp dexamp" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; margin-right: 22px; font-size: 17px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 1.4;"><span class="deg eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif, ico-c;">organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food" title="food" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">food</a>/<a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fruit" title="fruit" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">fruit</a>/<a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/farm" title="farms" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">farms</a>/<a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/farmer" title="farmers" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">farmers</a></span></div></div></div><div class="daccord" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 10px 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 248, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><amp-accordion class="i-amphtml-element i-amphtml-layout-container i-amphtml-layout" i-amphtml-layout="container" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: block; margin: 0px; position: relative;"><section expanded="" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; float: none !important;" class=""><header class="i-amphtml-accordion-header daccord_h ca_h" role="button" aria-controls="0_AMP_content_0" aria-expanded="true" tabindex="0" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; cursor: pointer; background-color: transparent; padding: 10px 15px; border: 0px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); font-size: 1rem; font-weight: 700; float: none !important; overflow: hidden !important; position: relative !important;"><span class="i i-plus ca_hi" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: inline-block; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 0.875rem; line-height: 1; font-family: ico-c; color: rgb(41, 41, 41); vertical-align: 0px; text-rendering: auto; margin-right: 5px;"></span> More examples</header><ul class="ca_b hul-u i-amphtml-accordion-content hul-u0 daccord_b" id="0_AMP_content_0" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px 35px; line-height: 1.5em; list-style: none; float: none !important; overflow: hidden !important; position: relative !important;"><li class="hax dexamp eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 22px 10px 0px; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; display: block; list-style: none; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-size: 17px; line-height: 1.4;">Cheap organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food" title="food" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">food</a> is still <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/difficult" title="difficult" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">difficult</a> to come by.</li><li class="hax dexamp eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 22px 10px 0px; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; display: block; list-style: none; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-size: 17px; line-height: 1.4;">These organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/olive" title="olives" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">olives</a> are <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/packaged" title="packaged" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">packaged</a> in <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/recycled" title="recycled" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">recycled</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/glass" title="glass" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">glass</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/container" title="containers" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">containers</a>.</li><li class="hax dexamp eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 22px 10px 0px; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; display: block; list-style: none; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-size: 17px; line-height: 1.4;">Supermarkets have <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/recognized" title="recognized" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">recognized</a> the <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/increase" title="increasing" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">increasing</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/popularity" title="popularity" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">popularity</a> of organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food" title="food" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">food</a>.</li><li class="hax dexamp eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 22px 10px 0px; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; display: block; list-style: none; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-size: 17px; line-height: 1.4;">The <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/restaurant" title="restaurant" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">restaurant</a> only uses organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/ingredient" title="ingredients" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">ingredients</a>.</li><li class="hax dexamp eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 22px 10px 0px; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; display: block; list-style: none; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-size: 17px; line-height: 1.4;">Sales of organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food" title="food" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">food</a> have <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/increase" title="increased" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">increased</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dramatically" title="dramatically" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">dramatically</a> in <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/recent" title="recent" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">recent</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/year" title="years" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">years</a>.</li></ul></section></amp-accordion></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><h3 class="dsense_h" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: 1; font-size: 1rem; padding-top: 10px; color: rgb(93, 47, 193); padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif;"><span class="hw dsense_hw" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;">organic</span> <span class="pos dsense_pos" title="A word that describes a noun or pronoun." style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-style: italic; font-size: 0.875rem;">adjective</span> <span class="guideword dsense_gw" title="Guide word: helps you find the right meaning when a word has more than one meaning" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-size: 14px; text-transform: uppercase; vertical-align: 1px;">(<span style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; vertical-align: -1px;" class="">OF CHANGES</span>)</span></h3><div class="dsense_b sense-body" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; caret-color: rgb(29, 42, 87); color: rgb(29, 42, 87); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div class=" def-block ddef_block" data-wl-senseid="ID_00022581_6" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; padding-left: 10px; padding-right: 10px;"><div class="dwl hax" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; position: relative; margin-top: 2px; border-top-width: thin; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(254, 196, 0);"><a amp-access="NOT loggedIn" class="dwla wordlist-add-button" title="Add this meaning to a word list" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; background-color: rgb(254, 196, 0); color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer; position: absolute; right: 0px; top: -12px; padding: 2px 8px; border-top-left-radius: 20px; border-top-right-radius: 20px; border-bottom-right-radius: 20px; border-bottom-left-radius: 20px;"><span class="i i-plus" aria-hidden="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: inline-block; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: 1; font-family: ico-c; color: rgb(41, 41, 41); vertical-align: middle; text-rendering: auto;"></span> <span class="i i-list-ul" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; display: inline-block; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1; font-family: ico-c; color: rgb(41, 41, 41); vertical-align: middle; text-rendering: auto;"></span></a></div><div class="ddef_h" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin: 15px 0px 20px;"><span class="ddef-info def-info" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;"></span><div class="def ddef_d db" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; font-weight: 700; margin-top: 10px; font-size: 18px; line-height: 1.5;"><a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/happening" title="happening" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">happening</a> or <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/developing" title="developing" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">developing</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/naturally" title="naturally" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">naturally</a> over <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/time" title="time" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">time</a>, without being <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/forced" title="forced" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">forced</a> or <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/planned" title="planned" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">planned</a> by anyone: </div></div><div class="def-body ddef_b" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; margin-bottom: 20px; font-size: 18px;"><div class="examp dexamp" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; margin-right: 22px; font-size: 17px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 1.4;"><span class="deg eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif, ico-c;">Our <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/policy" title="policies" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">policies</a> are organic. They <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/change" title="change" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">change</a> as <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/situation" title="situations" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">situations</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/change" title="change" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">change</a>.</span></div><div class="examp dexamp" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; position: relative; padding-left: 12px; margin-right: 22px; font-size: 17px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 1.4;"><span class="deg eg" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; padding-right: 15px; font-style: italic; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, "Hiragino Sans GB", "Microsoft YaHei", "WenQuanYi Micro Hei", sans-serif, ico-c;">His <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/television" title="television" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">television</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/career" title="career" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">career</a> was an organic <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/development" title="development" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">development</a> from the <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/endless" title="endless" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">endless</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sketch" title="sketches" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">sketches</a> he used to <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/enact" title="enact" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">enact</a> with his <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/best" title="best" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">best</a> <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/friend" title="friend" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">friend</a> from <a class="query" href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/school" title="school" style="box-sizing: border-box; -webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(29, 42, 87); cursor: pointer;">school</a>.</span></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""> <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">So… The statement that spending our energy migrating to IPv6 will devalue IPv4 is 100% accurate.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I never disagreed with that statement. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">One can argue that the introduction of IPv4 transfer markets just ensured the process to migrate to IPv6 become a joke.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>One can argue just about anything. However, in reality, like it or not (and I don’t, I think my record on that is pretty clear), transfer markets were a reality</div><div class="">we were faced with regardless of whether RIR policy chose to recognize them or not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>Nothing in existing RIR policy precluded derivatives (options), leasing, etc.</div><div class="">2.<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>Nothing in existing RIR policy was going to prevent off-books transfers where sufficient monetary incentive existed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We were not faced with a choice between “Implement transfer markets or not.” We were faced with a choice of “Recognize transfer markets and</div><div class="">regulate them or ensure that they are black markets and that the RIR system and its IPv4 policies become irrelevant to the actual operation of</div><div class="">the internet.”</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">And black markets still exist nonetheless (a failure of responsible audits and accountability) irrespective of existing transfer markets imho.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Most of the places where black markets exist with any significance are places with unreasonably restrictive transfer policies. It’s not so much a failure of responsible audits and</div><div>accountability as a failure of policy to adapt to reality. People are seeing the current overly restrictive transfer policy in the AfriNIC region as damage and routing around it.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">So now we have folks with capital spending most of their energy moving IPv4 address space all over the place since its a currency that ensures serious economic benefits. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>If you know of a way to stop this, I’m all ears.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Impossible to stop economic activities. </div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Thus, we felt it was better in the ARIN region to provide reasonable accommodation while still preserving useful aspects of regulation. I think we have achieved</div><div>a good balance there and that there’s relatively little black market movement of IPv4 resources in the ARIN region which has also made it possible to have</div><div>better accountability (for example the recent reclamation of a large quantity of improperly transferred address space).</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Amazon (AWS) and Microsoft (Azure) and others alike for instance have been buying so much IPv4 space in recent years from this transfer markets.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I’ll point out that each of the groups you mention have also been deploying IPv6.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Ack</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Faced with the business externalities that they are, they really have no choice but to try</div><div class="">and acquire enough IPv4 to support customer demand for as long as possible. I can assure you that each of them would love to see customer demand for IPv4 go away.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hence my point that both shall co-exist for years. So we cant devalue IPv4 in an attempt to promote IPv6 and this is why responsible management of IPv4 space must be ensured.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>You are misconstruing what was said.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>What was said was that deployment of IPv6 will devalue IPv4. The wider IPv6 is deployed, the less need there is for people to accumulate additional IPv4 resources. Reducing</div><div>market demand for IPv4 resources will inherently reduce the value of those resources. Thus, as was stated, wider deployment of IPv6 will devalue IPv4.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Nobody said that devaluing IPv4 was a way to promote IPv6… We said that deploying IPv6 would devalue IPv4.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">One also just cant force eyeballs all over the place to deploy IPv6 unless content folks went full regalia and made content only available on IPv6 while risking IPv4 revenue.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>That day is coming one way or another… Eventually, we will see a point where there simply aren’t any more IPv4 addresses available for new content providers, or, we</div><div class="">will have depleted the available IPv4 addresses for eyeballs.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">No doubt. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">OTOH, IPv6 is available to the vast majority of eyeballs in the US. Comcast has 100% IPv6 coverage, as do most of the major cellular carriers. AIUI, the other major</div><div class="">eyeball ISPs in the US are fast approaching that.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">One can attribute different factors to such outcomes beyond just the US.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I cited the US as an example because it is the market with which I have the greatest familiarity. If you want another good example outside of the US, look at the current rate of IPv6 adoption around India.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Globally, Google is seeing more than 30% of their traffic via IPv6. The prime laggards according to their map are northern Asia, Russia, Greenland, the Middle East, and the vast majority of Africa.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In fact, Africa is by far, the least deployed continent for IPv6, with notable exceptions in Togo and Gabon and problematic deployments in Kenya and Burundi.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I think you will see spontaneous deployment of IPv6 across China in the near future. Being as all the major ISPs in China are essentially one organization owned by the government, when the mandate finally comes, implementation and deployment will be quite rapid.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">(In the case of fixed wired ISPs, that is IPv6 is available to any subscriber whose CPE supports it and who hasn’t deliberately turned it off).</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There is that too.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Atleast this is how I see it. Capitalism at its best.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Or one of the finest examples of how capitalism is nearly as flawed as the alternatives.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">No system is perfect after all.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Agreed… But people love to tout th failures of socialism while often ignoring those same failures in a different form in capitalism.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In socialism, the lack of reward for effort and the lack of incentive to rise above is cited quite often.</div><div>In capitalism, the failure to tie reward and/or incentive to a greater good is mostly overlooked. The concept of perverse incentives occasionally gets mentioned, but usually in arguing for deregulation which often exacerbates the most harmful perverse incentives.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>