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1. Re: [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
2. Re: [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT (Owen DeLong)<br>
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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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?Hi Sami,<br>
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(moved the discussion to the right place)<br>
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The problem I see is that the PDP doesn?t allow a virtual PDWG plenary:<br>
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?3.3 The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)<br>
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The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.?<br>
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We may ?trick? it by making an AFRINIC Public Policy Meeting, for example in the AFRINIC office if it can host ?some in person participants?(possibly the co-chairs at a minimum, I will suggest also the proposal co-authors) and then all the others remotely.<br>
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The main problem is if we have a sufficiently good system to allow remote participation for hundreds of people, allow the co-chairs to manage the discussions and then gauge consensus.<br>
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El 18/3/20 22:15, "afnog en nombre de Sami Salih" <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Salam<br>
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Thx Nancy for the information, <br>
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However, I didn't like the announcement as it is posted. I have few comments:<br>
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1- whether you define a date to postpone the event, or just cancel it.<br>
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2- AFNOG and AFRINIC and other AF* events should align there announcements.<br>
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3- it's seems early to send such email when we are not sure about what is the situation will be in the comming 2.5 months, I recall that AFRINIC always have plan B just a month before the event.<br>
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My suggestion is to cancel AFNOG and other AF* for this year and make it next year in the same host country.<br>
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AFRINIC PDWG and Plenary to be conducted online for two days, I prefer weekend.<br>
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From: afnog <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>> on behalf of Mathias HOUNGBO <<a href="mailto:mathias@houngbo.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mathias@houngbo.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT <br>
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Thanks Nancy for the update.<br>
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Le 18/03/2020 ? 16:43, nancy dotse a ?crit :<br>
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Dear All,<br>
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Good afternoon.<br>
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On 16 March 2020, AfNOG, AFRINIC and the Local Host (ISPA-DRC) had another meeting to re-assess the Corona Virus pandemic as well as logistic issues.<br>
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Unfortunately we concluded that a change of plans was mandatory to safeguard the health of our members, community and staff. <br>
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Thus, we agreed that it is best to postpone the AIS 2020 Workshop & Conference to a later date. We will continue to monitor the situation and adopt precautionary measures to ensure everyone?s well-being.<br>
<br>
Further, we will communicate decisions taken in consultation with all stakeholders, and will advise on new AIS 2020 dates and<br>
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the way forward in due course.<br>
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Please stay safe.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Nancy<br>
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From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT<br>
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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 14:52 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> ?Hi Sami,<br>
> <br>
> (moved the discussion to the right place)<br>
> <br>
> The problem I see is that the PDP doesn?t allow a virtual PDWG plenary:<br>
> <br>
> ?3.3 The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)<br>
> The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.?<br>
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How is ?In person or Remote? a prohibition of Remote only?<br>
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If the count in the room is 0 and the number of remote participants is N, then you still have N people legitimately participating in the PPM.<br>
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> We may ?trick? it by making an AFRINIC Public Policy Meeting, for example in the AFRINIC office if it can host ?some in person participants?(possibly the co-chairs at a minimum, I will suggest also the proposal co-authors) and then all the others remotely.<br>
> <br>
> The main problem is if we have a sufficiently good system to allow remote participation for hundreds of people, allow the co-chairs to manage the discussions and then gauge consensus.<br>
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Yes? That?s certainly the only concern I see with a 100% remote meeting. I don?t see a need to have the co-chairs or the proposal co-authors expose themselves and others to the unnecessary risks of travel at this time vs. having everyone work remotely.<br>
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We are engineers building the internet? Surely we can manage a remote meeting if we set our minds to it.<br>
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Owen<br>
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> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> <br>
> @jordipalet<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> El 18/3/20 22:15, "afnog en nombre de Sami Salih" <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>> en nombre de <a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sami.salih@outlook.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>> escribi?:<br>
> <br>
> Salam<br>
> <br>
> Thx Nancy for the information, <br>
> <br>
> However, I didn't like the announcement as it is posted. I have few comments:<br>
> 1- whether you define a date to postpone the event, or just cancel it.<br>
> 2- AFNOG and AFRINIC and other AF* events should align there announcements.<br>
> 3- it's seems early to send such email when we are not sure about what is the situation will be in the comming 2.5 months, I recall that AFRINIC always have plan B just a month before the event.<br>
> <br>
> My suggestion is to cancel AFNOG and other AF* for this year and make it next year in the same host country.<br>
> AFRINIC PDWG and Plenary to be conducted online for two days, I prefer weekend.<br>
> <br>
> Salam.<br>
> <br>
> Get Outlook for Android <<a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://aka.ms/ghei36</a>><br>
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> From: afnog <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>>> on behalf of Mathias HOUNGBO <<a href="mailto:mathias@houngbo.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mathias@houngbo.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathias@houngbo.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mathias@houngbo.net</a>>><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:32:58 PM<br>
> To: nancy dotse <<a href="mailto:nancy@ghana.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nancy@ghana.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:nancy@ghana.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nancy@ghana.com</a>>>; Afnog <<a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog@afnog.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">afnog@afnog.org</a>>><br>
> Subject: Re: [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT<br>
> <br>
> Thanks Nancy for the update.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --<br>
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> Le 18/03/2020 ? 16:43, nancy dotse a ?crit :<br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> <br>
>> Good afternoon.<br>
>> <br>
>> On 16 March 2020, AfNOG, AFRINIC and the Local Host (ISPA-DRC) had another meeting to re-assess the Corona Virus pandemic as well as logistic issues.<br>
>> <br>
>> Unfortunately we concluded that a change of plans was mandatory to safeguard the health of our members, community and staff. <br>
>> <br>
>> Thus, we agreed that it is best to postpone the AIS 2020 Workshop & Conference to a later date. We will continue to monitor the situation and adopt precautionary measures to ensure everyone?s well-being.<br>
>> <br>
>> Further, we will communicate decisions taken in consultation with all stakeholders, and will advise on new AIS 2020 dates and<br>
>> <br>
>> the way forward in due course.<br>
>> <br>
>> Please stay safe.<br>
>> <br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>> <br>
>> Nancy<br>
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