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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Top posting to make it short and probably to close the thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think it is a matter of subjective opinion in the way the PDP text is written, and I think it will be up to the chairs and staff to interpret it, or we may never reach an agreement. Note that is not just the English text, but how you translate to your own native language.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If you don’t offer a venue for in-person, then you’re not fulfilling the text. It is correct that the venue may be “empty”, but It must “be there”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You know how dificult is remote participation in IETF. You know how is connecitivity for many people in Africa. Even when doing remote presentations it is dificult. Last time in Angola, it was dificult to understand Sylvain, who was doing a remote presentation of a proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I’m sure we, engineers can do it better, but I’m convinced that for ensuring a smooth virtual meeting, it will be better that some people is on-site.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>For sure, we need to coordinate the dates to remain the same as originally expected, otherwise, proposal co-authors may not be available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 19/3/20 3:44, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Mar 18, 2020, at 14:52 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Sami,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>(moved the discussion to the right place)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The problem I see is that the PDP doesn’t allow a virtual PDWG plenary:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span class=estilocorreo21><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>“3.3 The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><span lang=EN-US>rpd@afrinic.net</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.”</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>How is “In person or Remote” a prohibition of Remote only?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If the count in the room is 0 and the number of remote participants is N, then you still have N people legitimately participating in the PPM.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>We may “trick” it by making an AFRINIC Public Policy Meeting, for example in the AFRINIC office if it can host “some in person participants”(possibly the co-chairs at a minimum, I will suggest also the proposal co-authors) and then all the others remotely.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The main problem is if we have a sufficiently good system to allow remote participation for hundreds of people, allow the co-chairs to manage the discussions and then gauge consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Yes… That’s certainly the only concern I see with a 100% remote meeting. I don’t see a need to have the co-chairs or the proposal co-authors expose themselves and others to the unnecessary risks of travel at this time vs. having everyone work remotely.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We are engineers building the internet… Surely we can manage a remote meeting if we set our minds to it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 18/3/20 22:15, "afnog en nombre de Sami Salih" <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>en nombre de<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Salam</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thx Nancy for the information,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>However, I didn't like the announcement as it is posted. I have few comments:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>1- whether you define a date to postpone the event, or just cancel it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>2- AFNOG and AFRINIC and other AF* events should align there announcements.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>3- it's seems early to send such email when we are not sure about what is the situation will be in the comming 2.5 months, I recall that AFRINIC always have plan B just a month before the event.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>My suggestion is to cancel AFNOG and other AF* for this year and make it next year in the same host country.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>AFRINIC PDWG and Plenary to be conducted online for two days, I prefer weekend.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Salam.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Get<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></div></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>afnog <<a href="mailto:afnog-bounces@afnog.org">afnog-bounces@afnog.org</a>> on behalf of Mathias HOUNGBO <<a href="mailto:mathias@houngbo.net">mathias@houngbo.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:32:58 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>nancy dotse <<a href="mailto:nancy@ghana.com">nancy@ghana.com</a>>; Afnog <<a href="mailto:afnog@afnog.org">afnog@afnog.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [afnog] AIS 2020 - POSTPONEMENT<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Thanks Nancy for the update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>First learn the rules, Then break them to learn.<o:p></o:p></pre><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le 18/03/2020 à 16:43, nancy dotse a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Good afternoon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>On 16 March 2020, AfNOG, AFRINIC and the Local Host (ISPA-DRC) had another meeting to re-assess the Corona Virus pandemic as well as logistic issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Unfortunately we concluded that a change of plans was mandatory to safeguard the health of our members, community and staff. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Thus, we agreed that it is best to postpone the AIS 2020 Workshop & Conference to a later date. We will continue to monitor the situation and adopt precautionary measures to ensure everyone’s well-being.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Further, we will communicate decisions taken in consultation with all stakeholders, and will advise on new AIS 2020 dates and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>the way forward in due course.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Please stay safe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>Nancy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>AfNOG<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>afnog mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><a href="https://www.afnog.org/mailman/listinfo/afnog">https://www.afnog.org/mailman/listinfo/afnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ afnog mailing list<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://www.afnog.org/mailman/listinfo/afnog">https://www.afnog.org/mailman/listinfo/afnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br></span><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>http://www.theipv6company.com</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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