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<tt>Hi all,</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt> </tt><tt>Hope this email will find y'all in good health.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> </tt><tt>Please see my comments embedded below...</tt><tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/03/2020 à 09:40, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<br>
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</tt><tt>Dear Jordi,</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>Thanks for this email.</tt><tt><br>
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lang="EN-US">Top posting to make it short and probably to
close the thread.</span></p>
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</tt><tt>...i'm not sure if you really wanted to say/write 'close
the thread' :-)</tt><br>
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</tt><tt>But, please accept that i add this email, maybe to not
exactly try to re-open the thread ? :-/</tt><br>
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lang="EN-US">I think it is a matter of subjective opinion in
the way the PDP text is written, and I think it will be up
to the chairs and staff to interpret it, or we may never
reach an agreement. </span></p>
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</tt><tt>For sure, the Chairs still have the famous 'Varying the
Process' (CPM section 3.6) in case.</tt><br>
<tt>...not sure for the Staff :-/</tt><tt><br>
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lang="EN-US">Note that is not just the English text, but how
you translate to your own native language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If you don’t offer a venue for in-person, then
you’re not fulfilling the text. It is correct that the venue
may be “empty”, but It must “be there”.</span></p>
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</tt><tt>...to clarify : your point is good, but there is the CPM
section 3.6 to address it.</tt><br>
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<tt>But, this is where we need to see the PDP respected as normally,
the Legal Advisor should quickly </tt><br>
<tt>clarify </tt><tt>the issue raised.</tt><br>
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</tt><tt>...see CPM section 3.4 : "[...] </tt><tt>AFRINIC shall
also provide relevant facts and statistics if </tt><br>
<tt>r</tt><tt>equested during the discussion. [...]".</tt><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">You know
how dificult is remote participation in IETF. You know how
is connecitivity for many people in Africa. Even when
doing remote presentations it is dificult. Last time in
Angola, it was dificult to understand Sylvain, who was
doing a remote presentation of a proposal.</span></p>
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</tt><tt>OK Jordi, i was not aware, but what i observe is that : we
(PDWG) need a serious *post-PPM evaluation*.</tt><br>
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<tt>As you know, i setted-up an active local PPMhub </tt><br>
<tt><</tt><tt><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/IdeasAndProjects/Ideas/PPMhub">https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/IdeasAndProjects/Ideas/PPMhub</a></tt><tt>></tt><tt>),
so remote participation was not just <br>
</tt><tt>a distraction </tt><tt>and the cmNOG ; the goal was to
promote the remote participation and the work have been </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>and the cmNOG ; the goal was to promote the remote
participation and the work have been done with </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>the poor</tt><tt> means we had. Now we (PDWG) have a great
opportunity to correct things as we should...</tt><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I’m sure
we, engineers can do it better, but I’m convinced that for
ensuring a smooth virtual meeting, it will be better that
some people is on-site.</span></p>
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</tt><tt>No need again (CPM section 3.6) ;-)</tt><tt> </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>...so, we want to learn for past or other stories of remote
participation. Now we don't have </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>the choice, as when i was calling for more action for more
remote participation.</tt><br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">For
sure, we need to coordinate the dates to remain the same
as originally expected, otherwise, proposal co-authors may
not be available.</span></p>
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</tt><tt>...another reason to maintain the calendar, i think IMHO.</tt><tt>
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</tt><tt>...so, we want to learn for past or other
stories/experiences of remote participation. Now we </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>don't have </tt><tt>the choice, as when i was calling for
more action to enhance participation by adjusting </tt><tt> </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>the remote participation.</tt><tt> </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>Shalom,</tt><tt> </tt><br>
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</tt><tt>--sb.</tt><br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/3/20
3:44, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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