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    <tt>Hi all,</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt> </tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt> </tt><tt>Hope this email will find y'all in good health.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt> </tt><tt>Please see my comments embedded below...</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt></tt><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/03/2020 à 09:40, JORDI PALET
      MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            lang="EN-US">Hi Owen,</span></p>
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    <tt></tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Dear Jordi,</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt>Thanks for this email.</tt><tt><br>
    </tt><tt></tt><br>
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            lang="EN-US">Top posting to make it short and probably to
            close the thread.</span></p>
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    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>...i'm not sure if you really wanted to say/write 'close
      the thread' :-)</tt><br>
    <br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>But, please accept that i add this email, maybe to not
      exactly try to re-open the thread ? :-/</tt><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I think it is a matter of subjective opinion in
            the way the PDP text is written, and I think it will be up
            to the chairs and staff to interpret it, or we may never
            reach an agreement. </span></p>
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    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>For sure, the Chairs still have the famous 'Varying the
      Process' (CPM section 3.6) in case.</tt><br>
    <tt>...not sure for the Staff :-/</tt><tt><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Note that is not just the English text, but how
            you translate to your own native language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">If you don’t offer a venue for in-person, then
            you’re not fulfilling the text. It is correct that the venue
            may be “empty”, but It must “be there”.</span></p>
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    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>...to clarify : your point is good, but there is the CPM
      section 3.6 to address it.</tt><br>
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    <tt>But, this is where we need to see the PDP respected as normally,
      the Legal Advisor should quickly </tt><br>
    <tt>clarify </tt><tt>the issue raised.</tt><br>
    <br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>...see CPM section 3.4 : "[...] </tt><tt>AFRINIC shall
      also provide relevant facts and statistics if </tt><br>
    <tt>r</tt><tt>equested during the discussion. [...]".</tt><br>
    <tt><br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">You know
              how dificult is remote participation in IETF. You know how
              is connecitivity for many people in Africa. Even when
              doing remote presentations it is dificult. Last time in
              Angola, it was dificult to understand Sylvain, who was
              doing a remote presentation of a proposal.</span></p>
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    <tt><br>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>OK Jordi, i was not aware, but what i observe is that : we
      (PDWG) need a serious *post-PPM evaluation*.</tt><br>
    <br>
    <tt>As you know, i setted-up an active local PPMhub </tt><br>
    <tt><</tt><tt><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/IdeasAndProjects/Ideas/PPMhub">https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/IdeasAndProjects/Ideas/PPMhub</a></tt><tt>></tt><tt>),
      so remote participation was not just  <br>
    </tt><tt>a distraction </tt><tt>and the cmNOG ; the goal was to
      promote the remote participation and the work have been </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>and the cmNOG ; the goal was to promote the remote
      participation and the work have been done with </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>the poor</tt><tt> means we had. Now we (PDWG) have a great
      opportunity to correct things as we should...</tt><br>
    <tt><br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I’m sure
              we, engineers can do it better, but I’m convinced that for
              ensuring a smooth virtual meeting, it will be better that
              some people is on-site.</span></p>
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    <tt> </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>No need again (CPM section 3.6) ;-)</tt><tt> </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>...so, we want to learn for past or other stories of remote
      participation. Now we don't have </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>the choice, as when i was calling for more action for more
      remote participation.</tt><br>
    <tt><br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">For
              sure, we need to coordinate the dates to remain the same
              as originally expected, otherwise, proposal co-authors may
              not be available.</span></p>
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    <tt> </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>...another reason to maintain the calendar, i think IMHO.</tt><tt>
    </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>...so, we want to learn for past or other
      stories/experiences of remote participation. Now we </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>don't have </tt><tt>the choice, as when i was calling for
      more action to enhance participation by adjusting </tt><tt> </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>the remote participation.</tt><tt> </tt><br>
     
    <tt>
    </tt><tt></tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>
    </tt><tt>Shalom,</tt><tt> </tt><br>
    <tt>
    </tt><tt>--sb.</tt><br>
    <tt><br>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 19/3/20
              3:44, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> [...]</o:p>
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