<div dir="auto">Thanks a lot<div dir="auto">That's what i've said few days ago. Let's come back to PDP our RPD list. </div><div dir="auto">Thank you</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 9 mars 2020 à 07:37, Moses Serugo <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class="gmail_default">
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)"></span>Dear PDWG members,<br>
<br>
Happy Women's Day!<br>
<br>
It's already one week into March and AIS-20 at Kinshasa DRC is drawing<br>
close. We pray and hope that the corona Virus outbreak will be<br>
contained soon.<br>
<br>
The co-chairs have been discussing about removing this discussion from the<br>
RPD list as it's irrelevant to policies and policy-making matters.<br>
</div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class="gmail_default">It has been observed that, this discussion has created tension among the<br>
community while not contributing much regarding policy-making.<br>
</div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)" class="gmail_default">After serious consideration, we urge all to stop the discussion here in the<br>
RPD list. We respect everyone's opinion and freedom of speech, but RPD is<br>
just not the right place to discuss such matters.<br>
<br>
Let's us all please ensure that discussion on RPD mailing list are focused<br>
on policies as it's the main purpose it was created.<br>
<br>
Thank you so much for understanding and support.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Co-chairs
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,153)"></span>Dear PDWG members,<br>
<br>
Happy Women's Day!<br>
<br>
It's already one week into March and AIS-20 at Kinshasa DRC is drawing<br>
close. We also hope that the corona Virus outbreak will not will be<br>
contained soon.<br>
<br>
The co-chairs have been discussing about removing this discussion from the<br>
RPD list as it?s irrelevant to policies and policy-making matters.<br>
<br>
We have observed that, this discussion has created tension among the<br>
community while not contributing much regarding policy-making.<br>
<br>
After serious consideration, we urge all to stop the discussion here in the<br>
RPD list. We respect everyone?s opinion and freedom of speech, but RPD is<br>
just not the right place to discuss such matters.<br>
<br>
Let's us all please ensure that discussion on RPD mailing list are focused<br>
on policies as it?s the main purpose it was created.<br>
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Thank you so much for understanding and support.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
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Co-chairs<br>
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On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Let me start off by indicating again that I do not believe this is an<br>
> appropriate topic for the rpd list - unless and until someone proposes a<br>
> policy regarding funding (which IMO will be out of bounds of the PDP). This<br>
> is a community or members list issue.<br>
><br>
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Hi Mike,<br>
<br>
This is not a member-list issue actually. Perhaps the community-list, but<br>
it is surely PDP related and should be discussed on this very rpd-list and<br>
in fact during the Public Policy Meetings. Also not everything discussed on<br>
this rpd list or at during the PPM leads to policy actions.<br>
<br>
In the case of the issue currently under discussion, the outcome might not<br>
be a proposal on funding, but rather changes in the PDP to guarantee its<br>
integrity and increase its resistance to *potential* *capture* and *abuses*,<br>
in addition to *ethical* and conservative measures AfriNIC as an<br>
organisation must undertake.<br>
<br>
<br>
> If I can summarise:<br>
><br>
> - many people get funding to attend meetings, some from their employers,<br>
> some from AfriNIC (excluding employees) and some from various funding<br>
> institutions;<br>
> - when travel costs are paid by an employer, we accept that the attendee<br>
> will consider the impact on the employer before engaging in discussions<br>
> (even if the views are their own). AfriNIC funded attendees (other than<br>
> employees) are expected to follow their own views - whether we agree with<br>
> them or not. We are unsure whether attendees sponsored by an opaque funding<br>
> institution may have been indoctrinated to follow a particular view.<br>
><br>
<br>
It is not only the AfriNIC funded attendees (fellows) that are expected to<br>
follow their own views.<br>
<br>
Everyone is expected to follow their own views according to the intentions<br>
of the PDP and this is irrespective of funding source (i.e be principled<br>
and work only in the interest of AfriNIC).<br>
<br>
You have also noted impact on employer, but there?s also employer impact on<br>
what should be an individualized PDP participation across various working<br>
groups.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> The conclusion drawn by some is that attendees sponsored by an opaque<br>
> funding institution have been indoctrinated and this somehow corrupts the<br>
> policy development process.<br>
><br>
<br>
Interesting you refer to attendees sponsored by opaque organizations. In<br>
fact opaque organizations should not exist within the context of AfriNIC<br>
let alone to be involved in sponsoring anything related to AfriNIC<br>
activities.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Outside of that there has been mudslinging against various institutions<br>
> and various people, indicating yet again that our community is divided.<br>
><br>
<br>
Please can you kindly indicate the indicated division in our community?<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> In my view, the issue is not funding, or stacking the room or<br>
> indoctrination or training - it is about TRUST. In a community where few<br>
> trust each other, then the only option to improve trust is transparency.<br>
><br>
<br>
What if it?s not about trust but rather *capture*, *control* and *abuse* of<br>
AfriNIC Internet Number Resources?<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> Transparency will allow us to leap to conclusions based on affiliation -<br>
> without considering the argue. However, that seems to be the preferred mode<br>
> of operation in this community, so who am I to judge.<br>
><br>
> In my view transparency can be achieved in two ways: (i) the publication<br>
> of a statement of interest, setting out organisational affiliations, such<br>
> as employer or clients of a consultant (and confirming that the person is a<br>
> real human and not a sock puppet) **before** participating in the rpd<br>
> list; and (ii) when at a meeting, participants must introduce themselves<br>
> and indicate their organisational affiliation **as well as anyone funding<br>
> their travel** if not their organisation. For example - my name is John,<br>
> I work at XYZ ISP and I am an AfriNIC funded fellow.<br>
><br>
> I think those two simple approaches are basic etiquette and can be<br>
> included in the Code of Conduct. I also think AfriNIC can create a<br>
> ?statement of interest? database with minimal effort (and no personal<br>
> identifying information).<br>
><br>
> If this is followed, aside for possible reporting of violations of the<br>
> Code of Conduct, we can remove this inane and pointless discussion from the<br>
> rpd list.<br>
><br>
<br>
Everything was transparent up until the opaque organizations arrived with<br>
their strings attached funding from what we have seen.<br>
<br>
Noah<br>
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> Mike<br>
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