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<div style="direction: ltr;">Im a passionate African and appreciate the need to leave things and move on. And im sure so are you.
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<div style="direction: ltr;">But have you at all listened to other voices. ??</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">To assume that corrupting our PDP and meeting process is not important and we should leave and move to better things worries me ??</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">What better things exist the sanctity of the single process that allows AfriNIC to serve its members and Africans at large through the co-creation of policy in an open process??</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Surely the angle $$$$ has come into the PDP process and i can understand how that can be better for some. Lets explore the proposal on sponsorship and if the consensus speaks then lets move on. </div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">But to force unhappy members to just accept and move on is exactly against what the foundation purports to fix.
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<b>To:</b> Nasir Faruk<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Badru,
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<div dir="auto">"Previously denied" I meant persons that we're very eager to be part of the face to face meeting but couldn't afford to be there for lack of funds and opportunity.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I am not listening to myself, I am only wondering whether we are not just busy flogging a dead horse. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I am sure Larus Foundation has being listening to the conversations, and they can benefit from the numerous suggestions made, that can make the fellowship better going forward. I could glean that from some of Owen's comments.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I am again saying let us move on to better things.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In response to what Daniel submitted, could you please substantiate the real issue you felt not addressed?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I quite agree with Daniel's submissions. I was just wondering what the term "Genuine Sponsor" could mean from those having negative thoughts about the LARUS fellowship programme. Could it be they are referring to the kind of sponsors that dictates
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<div dir="auto">I am yet to see the real issue with the LARUS and if none can be clearly identified then I suggest the sponsors of this discussion to keep shut!</div>
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From: Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
To: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>>, Lamiaa Chnayti<br>
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@Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked. Because an answer was given should mot bring the presumption that things are OK.<br>
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When you say previously denied. You seem to make it sound like some people were prevented. To my knowledge all AfriNIC meetings have. been streamed and also recordings made available.<br>
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Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical suggestions from members.<br>
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The assumption that members should just accept because enough people repeated the same answers many times does not make the issue disappear.<br>
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There?s something not right. Please listen to the voices of others and not yours only.<br>
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From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM<br>
To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA<br>
Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Dear All,<br>
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I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus Foundation and have since resumed doing important things on the PDP. But I can see the devil is still in the details, regarding this matter.<br>
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I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has shown its transparency as best as they can, but this does not satisfy some members of the community. I can also see that these community members are not happy because Larus Foundation has brought
"previously denied persons" to AfriNIC meeting, and in the process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.<br>
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I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor is unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a perceive enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.<br>
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Simply,<br>
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Daniel<br>
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On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:<br>
Pri?re ? VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages pr?c?dents parce que tout a ?t? adress? et pourtant vous continuez ? r?p?ter ce qui a d?j? ?t? mentionn?.<br>
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Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et r?p?titive qu'elle ne suit plus aucune logique.<br>
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Il ne s'agit justement pas de d?fendre ou d'attaquer mais de comprendre. Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps ? r?pondre ? des questions auquelles moi et plein de gens ont d?j? r?pondu.<br>
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J'esp?re que cette discussion non productive prendra fin et qu'on puisse enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus importants pour la communaut?.<br>
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Cordialement,<br>
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Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>>
a ?crit :<br>
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Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>>
a ?crit :<br>
Je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.<br>
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Je trouve qu'il est tr?s normal pour une organisation d'?tre partielle tant que cel? se fait en objectivit? totale.<br>
Et en quoi a-t-elle ?t? partiale ? Lorsqu'elle pr?pare des documents au jugement biais? pour remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent pour la premi?re fois aux r?unions d'Afrinic et pour certains c'est la premi?re fois qu'ils quittent leur pays pour
l'ext?rieur, je comprendrai leur d?voiement ? d?fendre l'ind?fendable.<br>
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Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-?tre pas l'exception mais se comporte au moins d'une mani?re objective et dont les travaux sont b?n?fiques pour la communaut? Africaine.<br>
Ces Travaux sont b?n?fiques tu dis ? certaines communaut?s africaines, Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient b?n?fiques, mais plut?t nuisible oui.<br>
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Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer ? ses semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pr?-requis.<br>
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Que veux-tu dire sans pr?-requis, je pense plut?t que ceux qui d?fendent cette fondation, sont ceux-l? m?me justement qui manquent ? mon humble avis de pr?-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont d?fendus dans ces d?bats et discussions. Pri?re lire les anciens
message de cette liste et regarder les anciennes vid?os des r?unions d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des choses ici.<br>
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Cordialement,<br>
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Lamiaa.<br>
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Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>>>
a ?crit :<br>
Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes pour des r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF organisent des activit?s politiques et des actions
de coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversit? culturelle et linguistique et servent ? promouvoir la langue fran?aise, la paix et le d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.<br>
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?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense qu'il est plut?t hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit
des populations francophones uniquement.<br>
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Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des ann?es pour amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent l'int?r?t de la population francophone.
Larus est peut-?tre ? certains yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.<br>
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Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est partielle - il est in?vitable pour l'organisation de repr?senter l'int?r?t de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et objective. Je pense que Larus
fait ?a.<br>
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Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ? ?tre non seulement ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en particulier.<br>
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Cordialement.<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
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Hi Owen,<br>
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You wrote<br>
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"I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<br>
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Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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Owen<br>
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Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
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As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe
that Jordi?s proposal would increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our fellowship program.<br>
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>>
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> You wrote<br>
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> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
> Cc: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>><br>
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> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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