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    <p>Dear All, <br>
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    <p>I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus
      Foundation and have since resumed doing important things on the
      PDP. But I can see the devil is still in the details, regarding
      this matter. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has
      shown its transparency as best as they can, but this does not
      satisfy some members of the community. I can also see that these
      community members are not happy because Larus Foundation has
      brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC meeting, and in the
      process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.</p>
    <p>I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor
      is unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a
      perceive enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
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    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAH=qv+Ao71auaJnD4TqmrKc1e3MOdDMbJuH+rZf5qMBYT8jcYA@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto">Prière à VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les
        messages précédents parce que tout a été adressé et pourtant
        vous continuez à répéter ce qui a déjà été mentionné. 
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et
          répétitive qu'elle ne suit plus aucune logique.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Il ne s'agit justement pas de défendre ou
          d'attaquer mais de comprendre. Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas
          plus de temps à répondre à des questions auquelles moi et
          plein de gens ont déjà répondu.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">J'espère que cette discussion non productive
          prendra fin et qu'on puisse enfin se focaliser sur des sujets
          plus importants pour la communauté. </div>
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        <div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 9:44
              AM, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"
                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>
              a écrit :<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 2 mars 2020
                    à 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a
                      href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
                      rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
                    a écrit :<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec
                      toi Kakel.
                      <div dir="auto"><br>
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                      <div dir="auto">Je trouve qu'il est très normal
                        pour une organisation d'être partielle tant que
                        celà se fait en objectivité totale.</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>Et en quoi a-t-elle été partiale ? Lorsqu'elle
                    prépare des documents au jugement biaisé pour
                    remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent
                    pour la première fois aux réunions d'Afrinic  et
                    pour certains c'est la première fois qu'ils quittent
                    leur pays pour l'extérieur, je comprendrai leur
                    dévoiement à défendre l'indéfendable. </div>
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                      <div dir="auto">Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-être
                        pas l'exception mais se comporte au moins d'une
                        manière objective et dont les travaux sont
                        bénéfiques pour la communauté Africaine. </div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div>Ces Travaux sont bénéfiques tu dis à certaines
                    communautés africaines, Hummm J'en doute fort
                    qu'elles soient bénéfiques, mais plutôt nuisible
                    oui.  </div>
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                      <div dir="auto">Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la
                        grande image et de la comparer à ses semblables
                        avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans
                        pré-requis.</div>
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                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Que veux-tu dire sans pré-requis, je pense plutôt
                    que ceux qui défendent cette fondation, sont ceux-là
                    même justement qui manquent à mon humble avis de
                    pré-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont
                    défendus dans ces débats et discussions. Prière lire
                    les anciens message de cette liste  et regarder les
                    anciennes vidéos des réunions d'Afrinic. Avant de
                    venir affirmer des choses ici. </div>
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                      <div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div>
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                      <div dir="auto">Lamiaa.</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars
                        2020 à 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <<a
                          href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com"
                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>>
                        a écrit :<br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Je pense que les attaques
                            contre Larus poussent aux questionnements.
                            Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une
                            organisation de sponsoriser des personnes
                            pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare
                            ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des
                            activités politiques et des actions de
                            coopération multilatérale qui sont au profit
                            des populations francophones. Ses actions
                            respectent la diversité culturelle et
                            linguistique et servent à promouvoir la
                            langue française, la paix et le
                            développement durable »sur leur site
                            officiel.</div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">Étant moi-même de langue
                            maternelle française, je pense qu'il est
                            plutôt hypocrite que certains accusent Larus
                            d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant rien des
                            OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui
                            sont également formées, comme elles le
                            disent, au profit des populations
                            francophones uniquement.</div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">Nous savons tous que les OIF
                            utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour
                            amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne
                            porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien
                            connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF
                            représentent l'intérêt de la population
                            francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains
                            yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est
                            objectif.</div>
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                          </div>
                          <div dir="auto">Je pense simplement qu'il
                            n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus
                            est partielle - il est inévitable pour
                            l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt de
                            certains groupes de personnes, mais elle
                            doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et
                            objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.</div>
                          <div dir="auto"><br>
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                          <div dir="auto">Internet est une société
                            ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non
                            seulement ouverts, mais aussi à être justes
                            lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en
                            particulier.</div>
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                          <div dir="auto">Cordialement.</div>
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                               1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
                            (Marcus K. G. Adomey)<br>
                               2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
                            (Owen DeLong)<br>
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                            Message: 1<br>
                            Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
                            From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a
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                            To: Owen DeLong <<a
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                            Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
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                            Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
                            Afrinic PDP<br>
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                            Hi Owen,<br>
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                            You wrote<br>
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                            "I am confused? The entire purpose of this
                            list is for us to discuss and attempt to
                            influence people?s opinions about policies.
                            The only way we can ever come to consensus
                            is by influencing people?s opinions through
                            discussion."<br>
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                            <br>
                            Confused with all which has been said on
                            this thread?<br>
                            <br>
                            Can you please respond to the question in
                            the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks<br>
                            <br>
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                            <br>
                            Marcus<br>
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                            ________________________________<br>
                            From: Owen DeLong <<a
                              href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
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                            Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
                            To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
                              href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com"
                              rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer
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                              moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
                            Cc: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
                              rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer
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                              moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>;
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                            Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
                            Afrinic PDP<br>
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                            > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP
                            exposed and discussed here is about a 
                            certain company influencing people views
                            and  opinions in a PDP, where contributions
                            are from individuals and views and opinions
                            are only theirs.<br>
                            <br>
                            I am confused? The entire purpose of this
                            list is for us to discuss and attempt to
                            influence people?s opinions about policies.
                            The only way we can ever come to consensus
                            is by influencing people?s opinions through
                            discussion.<br>
                            <br>
                            That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP.
                            Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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                            Owen<br>
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                            Message: 2<br>
                            Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800<br>
                            From: Owen DeLong <<a
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                            To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a
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                            Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
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                            Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
                            Afrinic PDP<br>
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                            Confused by your statement that ?attempting
                            to influence people?s opinions about
                            policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
                            <br>
                            As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I
                            think some portions of it have merit, but
                            the devil is in the details. I have no
                            interest in engaging in a public discussion
                            of the finer points on this mater, however,
                            as I have no real dog in that fight. I do
                            not believe that Jordi?s proposal would
                            increase transparency or significantly
                            improve the quality of our fellowship
                            program.<br>
                            <br>
                            Owen<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K.
                            G. Adomey <<a
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                            wrote:<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Hi Owen,<br>
                            > <br>
                            > You wrote <br>
                            > <br>
                            > "I am confused? The entire purpose of
                            this list is for us to discuss and attempt
                            to influence people?s opinions about
                            policies. The only way we can ever come to
                            consensus is by influencing people?s
                            opinions through discussion."<br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
                            > Confused with all which has been said
                            on this thread? <br>
                            > <br>
                            > Can you please respond to the question
                            in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Thanks<br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
                            > <br>
                            > Marcus<br>
                            > <br>
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                            > From: Owen DeLong <<a
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                            > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50
                            AM<br>
                            > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
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                            > Cc: Noah <<a
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                            > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
                            Afrinic PDP<br>
                            >  <br>
                            > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the
                            PDP exposed and discussed here is about a 
                            certain company influencing people views
                            and  opinions in a PDP, where contributions
                            are from individuals and views and opinions
                            are only theirs.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > I am confused? The entire purpose of
                            this list is for us to discuss and attempt
                            to influence people?s opinions about
                            policies. The only way we can ever come to
                            consensus is by influencing people?s
                            opinions through discussion.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the
                            PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Owen<br>
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