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<p>Dear All, <br>
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<p>I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus
Foundation and have since resumed doing important things on the
PDP. But I can see the devil is still in the details, regarding
this matter. <br>
</p>
<p>I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has
shown its transparency as best as they can, but this does not
satisfy some members of the community. I can also see that these
community members are not happy because Larus Foundation has
brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC meeting, and in the
process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.</p>
<p>I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor
is unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a
perceive enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.<br>
</p>
<p>Simply,</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Prière à VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les
messages précédents parce que tout a été adressé et pourtant
vous continuez à répéter ce qui a déjà été mentionné.
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et
répétitive qu'elle ne suit plus aucune logique.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Il ne s'agit justement pas de défendre ou
d'attaquer mais de comprendre. Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas
plus de temps à répondre à des questions auquelles moi et
plein de gens ont déjà répondu.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">J'espère que cette discussion non productive
prendra fin et qu'on puisse enfin se focaliser sur des sujets
plus importants pour la communauté. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 9:44
AM, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 2 mars 2020
à 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <<a
href="mailto:lamiaachnayti@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lamiaachnayti@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec
toi Kakel.
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<div dir="auto">Je trouve qu'il est très normal
pour une organisation d'être partielle tant que
celà se fait en objectivité totale.</div>
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<div>Et en quoi a-t-elle été partiale ? Lorsqu'elle
prépare des documents au jugement biaisé pour
remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent
pour la première fois aux réunions d'Afrinic et
pour certains c'est la première fois qu'ils quittent
leur pays pour l'extérieur, je comprendrai leur
dévoiement à défendre l'indéfendable. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-être
pas l'exception mais se comporte au moins d'une
manière objective et dont les travaux sont
bénéfiques pour la communauté Africaine. </div>
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<div>Ces Travaux sont bénéfiques tu dis à certaines
communautés africaines, Hummm J'en doute fort
qu'elles soient bénéfiques, mais plutôt nuisible
oui. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la
grande image et de la comparer à ses semblables
avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans
pré-requis.</div>
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<div>Que veux-tu dire sans pré-requis, je pense plutôt
que ceux qui défendent cette fondation, sont ceux-là
même justement qui manquent à mon humble avis de
pré-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont
défendus dans ces débats et discussions. Prière lire
les anciens message de cette liste et regarder les
anciennes vidéos des réunions d'Afrinic. Avant de
venir affirmer des choses ici. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Lamiaa.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars
2020 à 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <<a
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rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">Je pense que les attaques
contre Larus poussent aux questionnements.
Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une
organisation de sponsoriser des personnes
pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare
ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des
activités politiques et des actions de
coopération multilatérale qui sont au profit
des populations francophones. Ses actions
respectent la diversité culturelle et
linguistique et servent à promouvoir la
langue française, la paix et le
développement durable »sur leur site
officiel.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Étant moi-même de langue
maternelle française, je pense qu'il est
plutôt hypocrite que certains accusent Larus
d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant rien des
OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui
sont également formées, comme elles le
disent, au profit des populations
francophones uniquement.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Nous savons tous que les OIF
utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour
amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne
porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien
connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF
représentent l'intérêt de la population
francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains
yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est
objectif.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Je pense simplement qu'il
n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus
est partielle - il est inévitable pour
l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt de
certains groupes de personnes, mais elle
doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et
objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Internet est une société
ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non
seulement ouverts, mais aussi à être justes
lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en
particulier.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Cordialement.</div>
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1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
(Marcus K. G. Adomey)<br>
2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
(Owen DeLong)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
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Hi Owen,<br>
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You wrote<br>
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"I am confused? The entire purpose of this
list is for us to discuss and attempt to
influence people?s opinions about policies.
The only way we can ever come to consensus
is by influencing people?s opinions through
discussion."<br>
<br>
<br>
Confused with all which has been said on
this thread?<br>
<br>
Can you please respond to the question in
the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Marcus<br>
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[1] <a
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From: Owen DeLong <<a
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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
Afrinic PDP<br>
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> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP
exposed and discussed here is about a
certain company influencing people views
and opinions in a PDP, where contributions
are from individuals and views and opinions
are only theirs.<br>
<br>
I am confused? The entire purpose of this
list is for us to discuss and attempt to
influence people?s opinions about policies.
The only way we can ever come to consensus
is by influencing people?s opinions through
discussion.<br>
<br>
That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP.
Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
Afrinic PDP<br>
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Confused by your statement that ?attempting
to influence people?s opinions about
policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
<br>
As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I
think some portions of it have merit, but
the devil is in the details. I have no
interest in engaging in a public discussion
of the finer points on this mater, however,
as I have no real dog in that fight. I do
not believe that Jordi?s proposal would
increase transparency or significantly
improve the quality of our fellowship
program.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K.
G. Adomey <<a
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wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Owen,<br>
> <br>
> You wrote <br>
> <br>
> "I am confused? The entire purpose of
this list is for us to discuss and attempt
to influence people?s opinions about
policies. The only way we can ever come to
consensus is by influencing people?s
opinions through discussion."<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Confused with all which has been said
on this thread? <br>
> <br>
> Can you please respond to the question
in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Marcus<br>
> <br>
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> From: Owen DeLong <<a
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> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50
AM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Noah <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>;
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and
Afrinic PDP<br>
> <br>
> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the
PDP exposed and discussed here is about a
certain company influencing people views
and opinions in a PDP, where contributions
are from individuals and views and opinions
are only theirs.<br>
> <br>
> I am confused? The entire purpose of
this list is for us to discuss and attempt
to influence people?s opinions about
policies. The only way we can ever come to
consensus is by influencing people?s
opinions through discussion.<br>
> <br>
> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the
PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
> <br>
> Owen<br>
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