<div dir="auto">Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Je trouve qu'il est très normal pour une organisation d'être partielle tant que celà se fait en objectivité totale.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-être pas l'exception mais se comporte au moins d'une manière objective et dont les travaux sont bénéfiques pour la communauté Africaine. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer à ses semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pré-requis.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lamiaa.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des activités politiques et des actions de coopération multilatérale qui sont au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversité culturelle et linguistique et servent à promouvoir la langue française, la paix et le développement durable »sur leur site officiel.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Étant moi-même de langue maternelle française, je pense qu'il est plutôt hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont également formées, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones uniquement.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF représentent l'intérêt de la population francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est partielle - il est inévitable pour l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Internet est une société ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non seulement ouverts, mais aussi à être justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en particulier.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 04:08, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Marcus K. G. Adomey)<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Hi Owen,<br>
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"I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<br>
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Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a><br>
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From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800<br>
From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
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As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our fellowship program.<br>
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Owen,<br>
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> You wrote <br>
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> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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> Confused with all which has been said on this thread? <br>
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> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> [1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a>><br>
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> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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> Owen<br>
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