<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Noah,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I see what you are talking about… It’s not that I don’t see what you are claiming. It’s that I believe you are 100% wrong in your accusations and you have yet to present any evidence whatsoever.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that I am conflicted.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You have yet to provide any evidence that our fellows are being paid to represent specific opinions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You have yet to provide any evidence that Larus foundation provides any instructions to vote in a particular way or to advocate any particular position.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While I personally would not condone or participate in a fellowship program that did either of those things, I will say that it’s not technically against any law or policy to do so. In fact, it seems pretty clear that there are other organizations that are doing so yet are not the subject of such derision on this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You, Arnaud, and Marcus seem unwilling to consider the possibility that we are running a legitimate fellowship program intended to benefit the community. I’ve done my best to explain, clarify, and present in an open and transparent manner what we are actually doing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You’re entitled to your opinion. While I respect your views, and your rights to them, I think in this case, they are beyond misguided and simply factually incorrect.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:31 AM, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Marcus,<br class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I dont think Owen will ever understand what we are talking about. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I believe since Jordi is not conflicted that is why he was able to see through what everyone is concerned about hence his very simple proposal.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">I hope that AfriNIC Limited in listening..... </span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">There must be transparency when it comes to this matter.</div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 06:08 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Confused by your statement that “attempting to influence people’s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.”<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As to my opinion of Jordi’s proposal, I think some portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi’s proposal would increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our fellowship program.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">Hi Owen,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><b class="">You wrote </b></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="">"</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class="">I am confused… The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss </span><span style="font-size:14.6667px;font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:rgb(32,31,30)" class="">and</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""> attempt to influence people’s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people’s opinions through discussion."</span></i></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class=""><span class="">Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<span class=""> </span><br class=""></span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Marcus<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1]<span class=""> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span class=""></span><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:"Segoe UI","Segoe UI Web (West European)","Segoe UI",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><div id="m_-595579882719044830appendonsend" class=""></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class=""><br class=""></div><hr style="display:inline-block;width:1684.609375px" class=""><div id="m_-595579882719044830divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""> </span>Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class=""> </span>Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class=""> </span>Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class=""> </span>Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><font size="2" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt" class=""><div class="">> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br class=""><br class="">I am confused… The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people’s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people’s opinions through discussion.<br class=""><br class="">That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br class=""><br class="">Owen</div></span></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div>
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