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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Daniel, now I see your point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Even if I somehow agree about not to dig on the already buried things, there must be also a balance in keeping track of history, to avoid repeating mistakes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 19/2/20 2:17, "Daniel Yakmut" <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Jordi, I must confess that I appreciate your dispassionate attempts at responses to issues on the RPD. I can attest to your "No Hidden Agenda". However, I wanted to know whether Larus Foundation was the only organisation that attempted providing support and doing that exclusive of the AfriNIC structure. <o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>my expression "If we are not careful we will raise the dead" is not native English, but a Nigerian saying that reminds us, not to start digging things that have been buried. Note that we had previously argued that there were certain organisations that sponsored a section of the African community to AIS and AfriNIC with specific objective of given them more advantage at the expense of others. Surprisingly, nothing was wrong with their approach.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I am not a paid defender of Larus Foundation, but my people have benefited from their sponsorship and their joy of participating is my motivation to encourage Larus Foundation. If Larus Foundation decides to toe the line of your earlier suggestion, I am still okay with it as long as "my people" will continue to have the opportunity to access the fellowship.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>cheers</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 18/02/2020 1:32 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Daniel,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I'm not 100% sure, because I've never been involved, but I believe there have been several organizations providing funds for sponsoring fellows, or indirectly, sponsoring AFRINIC meetings in such way that AFRINIC can "use" these funds in the best possible way.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I don't understand your second point "If we are not careful we will raise the dead", probably it is an expression, but not being native English, don't make sense to me how to apply it to this context.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Note that I've nothing neither for/against Larus or any other organization, so I'm transparent and I've personally said this, by pure chance *tonight* in the APNIC meeting welcome reception, to Lu Heng (Larus owner, I believe).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>For further disclosure, I've never done any business with Larus neither any other broker. I've sometimes provided customers contacts to some brokers, including Larus (*once* during the meeting in Kampala a year ago). I'm happy to help everyone, and I did that openly in the meeting room, with other people around, and as I always did, when he offered me a commission, I rejected it, "give a better price to the customer". Call me an idiot or whatever, but I don't feel right, neither honest to accept commissions just for providing a contact and helping both parties to be in touch. No hidden agenda from my side.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If I do a work, a training, a consultancy, whatever, of course, I want to be paid for that, because it requires me investing time and providing my expertise (which cost many years to develop) and getting paid is the only way I can keep contributing to the community, pay for my food, etc.. However, getting paid a commission for dedicating *10 seconds* to send an email to connect to parties? No *I've never in my life accepted it*, and as said, I don't feel it is right.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 18/2/20 21:57, "Daniel Yakmut" <a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com"><yakmutd@googlemail.com></a> escribió:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Hi Jordi,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Has there been or is there any organization that has sponsored <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> individuals to AfriNIC meetings aside Larus Foundation, independently <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> outside the AfriNIC structure?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> If we are not careful we will raise the dead.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Cheers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Daniel<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> On 18/02/2020 7:01 am, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > I've proposed a very simple solution to this long time ago, which I think it is very transparent and open. Short version reminder here:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Organizations that want to sponsor fellows are very welcome, but this need to be coordinated with AFRINIC. Sponsors don't need to know who are the fellows, AFRINIC will select them based in the rules jointly agreed with the sponsor. AFRINIC and sponsor jointly define other details such as what training materials are provided to the fellows, how they are evaluated and if they don't match certain requirements (such as not actually coming to the sessions, etc.), if they don't get reimbursed all the costs, etc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > If a sponsor doesn't want to follow those rules, then AFRINIC could reject that sponsorship and ban them.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > This provides the same advantages to all the parties, but the community can be sure that fellows aren't influenced in any way.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Again, this is generic idea, many other details can be fixed, but I don't think it is so difficult to match what both AFRINIC (organization), sponsors, fellows and community need.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Jordi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > @jordipalet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > El 18/2/20 15:56, "Badru Ntege" <a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"><badru.ntege@nftconsult.com></a> escribió:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > > On 17 Feb 2020, at 01:21, Owen DeLong <a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > > Please just say what you mean.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > > Owen<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > It walks like a duck .... we are paying money to motivate participation.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > In another context one might call it corruption.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Some people are publicly shifting long held positions since laurus seems to be paying. ....... looks like a duck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > The evidence is clear ...must be a duck <span style='font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"'>🦆</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > When i look back in the historical threads the Owen i know seems to be speaking a different language these days.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > But maybe its just my limited capacity to comprehend the issues at hand.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Regards.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > RPD mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > **********************************************<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > IPv4 is over<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > Are you ready for the new Internet ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > <a href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > The IPv6 Company<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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