<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi all<div><br></div><div><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;">I think it is safe to say everybody attending Afrinic enjoyed a form of sponsorship or the other.</span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 19.1px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;"></span><br></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;">If you are an employee, your company pays for your travel to the Afrinic meeting. And your staff contract contains several clauses which you are bond to abide by. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 19.1px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;"></span><br></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;">Comparatively what Larus does here is already Rey liberal comparing to most companies, as there is no obligation requirement for fellow to follow any specific ideology in the T&C. </span></p><p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); min-height: 19.1px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;"></span><br></p><p class="p2" style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: medium; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px;">If all sponsorship needs to go through Afrinic, then afrinic will sponsor everyone attending the meeting - after all, everyone is sponsored one way or another by their self, employers or other forms of sponsors.</span></p><br><div dir="ltr">Taiwo O</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 18 Feb 2020, at 15:57, Trésor Tshilumba <tresortshilumba@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Merci Christophe, sans être avocat de Larus je pense que chaque structure a des valeurs qu'elle aimerait voir ses fellow respecter. Par exemple quelle serait votre réaction si vous aviez vu des boursiers Larus tenir des propos discourtois, injurieux ou racistes lors de #Afrinic31 ? <div dir="auto">Il y a une ligne de conduite et orientation précise qu'il faut donner aux participants, sinon ça serait du tourisme en Angola. Oui les participants ont été incités à être proactifs, mais personne n'a été ni contraint ni obligé. </div><div dir="auto">En dernier ressort c'était chacun face à sa conscience et sa morale. </div><div dir="auto">Thx</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 15:38, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Trésor,</div><div> </div><div>Toi qui a été boursier de Larus, dans les conditions de participation à cette bourse. Larus Fondation attend du boursier je cite "</div><div style="font-family:'tahoma','verdana','arial','helvetica',sans-serif;font-size:16px;height:143px">à ce qu’il participe de façon significative à la réunion, et non seulement qu’il s’assoie dans la salle. Il peut s’agir d’exprimer des opinions, de répondre à des commentaires, de participer à des « conversations dans les couloirs » et d’échanger avec d’autres participants de façon appropriée." (traduction google du terms & conditions point D) Pourrais tu m'expliquer l'expression participation de façon appropriée (parcequ'il s'agit d'un obligation à laquelle le candidat s'engage à partir du moment où il souscrit à la bourse). Pour cette formulation est trop lacunaire, floue.</div><div style="font-family:'tahoma','verdana','arial','helvetica',sans-serif;font-size:16px;height:143px">KANGAMUTIMA</div><div style="font-family:'tahoma','verdana','arial','helvetica',sans-serif;font-size:16px;height:143px"> </div><div style="font-family:'tahoma','verdana','arial','helvetica',sans-serif;font-size:16px;height:143px"> </div><div> </div><div>18.02.2020, 15:26, "Trésor Tshilumba" <<a href="mailto:tresortshilumba@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tresortshilumba@gmail.com</a>>:</div><blockquote><div>Bonjour à tous, <div>J'ai été boursier Larus pour Luanda </div><div>Je peux vous confirmer que Larus ne fait rien de mal en facilitant la participation de ses boursier au programme comme le font et le feraient certaines autres structures. </div><div>Je peux aussi vous confirmer que les boursier se sont engagés librement et en toute conscience. Et c'est aussi normal qu'ils attendent des résultats de la part de participants si cela relève de leur stratégie pour la fondation, je n'y vois aucun inconvénient tant que cela n'est pas contraires aux règles qui gèrent AFRINIC d'autant plus que la Fondation a été même sponsor de #Afrinic31.</div><div> </div><div>Mon interpellation serait juste au niveau de la conscience de chacun pour être sûr que ce que nous faisons n'aie pas un impact négatif sur les générations futures qu'elles soient Africaines ou non !</div><div>Désolé de faire la morale, mais si j'ai fermé ma bouche depuis longtemps c'est parce que j'ai du mal à me retenir une fois ouverte. </div><div>Que chacun fasse concorder son agenda caché avec le bien communautaire. </div><div>Its not just all avoir BUSINESS !</div><div>Pensons aussi à l'homme dans tout ça!</div><div>Merci</div></div> <div><div>Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 14:30, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>> a écrit :</div><blockquote style="border-left-color:#ccc;border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><div>Jordi+1. Je soutiens la proposition de Jordi parceque la problématique des boursiers influencés, ou contraint de participer à débats avec une opinion tranchée peut fortement peser sur l'impartialité des débateurs.</div><div> </div><div>KANGAMUTIMA</div><div> </div><div>18.02.2020, 07:04, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>:</div><blockquote><p>I've proposed a very simple solution to this long time ago, which I think it is very transparent and open. Short version reminder here:<br><br>Organizations that want to sponsor fellows are very welcome, but this need to be coordinated with AFRINIC. Sponsors don't need to know who are the fellows, AFRINIC will select them based in the rules jointly agreed with the sponsor. AFRINIC and sponsor jointly define other details such as what training materials are provided to the fellows, how they are evaluated and if they don't match certain requirements (such as not actually coming to the sessions, etc.), if they don't get reimbursed all the costs, etc.<br><br>If a sponsor doesn't want to follow those rules, then AFRINIC could reject that sponsorship and ban them.<br><br>This provides the same advantages to all the parties, but the community can be sure that fellows aren't influenced in any way.<br><br>Again, this is generic idea, many other details can be fixed, but I don't think it is so difficult to match what both AFRINIC (organization), sponsors, fellows and community need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>El 18/2/20 15:56, "Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> escribió:<br><br><br><br> Sent from my iPhone<br><br> > On 17 Feb 2020, at 01:21, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Please just say what you mean.<br> ><br> > Owen<br><br> It walks like a duck .... we are paying money to motivate participation.<br><br> In another context one might call it corruption.<br><br> Some people are publicly shifting long held positions since laurus seems to be paying. ....... looks like a duck<br><br><br> The evidence is clear ...must be a duck 🦆<br><br> When i look back in the historical threads the Owen i know seems to be speaking a different language these days.<br><br> But maybe its just my limited capacity to comprehend the issues at hand.<br><br> Regards.<br> _______________________________________________<br> RPD mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br><br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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