<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Tresor, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Justement cela ne devrait pas être un <b>propre intérêt , </b>mais plutôt l'intérêt de la communauté. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Je salue ton engagement à faire entendre ta voix.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Greg</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Trésor Tshilumba <tresortshilumba@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 2020-02-18 8:59 a.m. (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> </div><div>Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd@afrinic.net> </div><div>Subject: Re: [rpd] Chère communauté francophone </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="auto">Merci Jordi ta longue réaction. <div dir="auto">J'ai été à Luanda est j'ai comment tu es influent au sein de AFRINIC</div><div dir="auto">J'ai également vu les différentes oppositions soulevées par certains membres des AF* suite à tes propositions.</div><div dir="auto">Arnaud j'ai également vu votre engagement et vos positions lors de cette rencontre. J'ai également pris le temps d'analysert toutes les discussions depuis Luanda et me suis rendu compte que beaucoup sont dans cette histoire juste pour leurs propres intérêt. Je ne vais pas prendre le risque de jouer au pyromane. Luanda était une belle expérience pour moi et je continuerai à voir comment contribuer à une meilleure gestion des nos ressources. Dans, avec ou hors de la communauté. </div><div dir="auto">J'assume toutes mes prises de position lors des dernières discussions à Luanda et prochain sommet sera chez moi en RDC, je ferai de mon mieux pour y prendre et avec beaucoup de chance faire entendre une voix libre. </div><div dir="auto">Merci</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 12:28, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Tresor,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I don’t agree with that feeling.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">The power is in your voice. Maybe you don’t get what you think is right the first time you contribute, but if you don’t keep insisting, you will never get it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I work for a very small company and I participate in all the RIR meetings, paying even from my own pocket my traveling, because I believe this is the right thing to do: using part of my time to improve the global Internet (and that means participating in IETF and contributing with documents and participating in the RIR contributing with presentations in the meetings and policy proposals).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think only if you persist you will be able to contribute. If you surrender in the first attempts, then you never get really involved and don't help the community.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Sometimes there is not a single way to do anything in terms of proposals or standards, that why it get much better as more people gets involved.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">If you’re operating networks, never mind work in an ISP or a government network or an enterprise network, your view is important and I will say more:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">*<b>contributing to the PDP is part of your work</b>* How come you want to be responsible of your network if you don’t tell the rest of the world how you believe it should be done?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Your network is not isolated, whatever is done in any part of the world, in the Internet, affects all of us.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Do you think you will change anything that is wrong in your country if you don’t put your voice in every occasion you have something to say?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">This is exactly the same. If you don’t insist, things don’t get better and in the case of the PDP, because it is about consensus building, the best way it works is not just coming to the meetings to tell your opinion, because then if something needs to be changes is TOO LATE, it needs to come back after 6 months, so we all *<b>WASTE</b>* our time. The right time to contribute is since a proposal is submitted, so we can have as many versions are needed and as much discussion is possible, so all the points of view are taken in consideration.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">This is not about who write the best proposal, is about “as many people” as possible contribute to improve it, so less people have anything to object (even if we don’t reach a perfect proposal, we may need to come back after some implementation experience to improve it). Exactly the same as when we do work for IETF.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Each one is convinced (initially) on their own views, and only hearing all the others will be able to adapt his view to the overall view of the community, and this is possible because each of us can provide their grains of sand in terms of their own experience, including proposals that have worked (or not) in other RIR, how ISPs in other regions do things, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">If we don’t understand that there is a single Internet, we are going to nowhere.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Sorry for the long email, but I couldn’t resist!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 18/2/20 22:05, "Trésor Tshilumba" <<a href="mailto:tresortshilumba@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tresortshilumba@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Bonjour Arnaud,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le silence n'est pas toujours lié à la barrière linguistique. Parfois on se demande si cela en vaut la peine de réagir. Quand j'ai rejoint la communauté AFRINIC en décembre dernier, j'étais vraiment heureux de rejoindre une initiative panafricaine à intérêt communautaire. Il est d'un triste constat de se rendre compte que contrairement à ce qui est proné dans les textes de AFRINIC, la communauté n'a pas vraiment le pouvoir réel. Je ne dirais pas une pseudo communauté, ou communauté fortement manipulée et influencée, mais plutôt une grande partie en difficulté de positionnement vu l'influence des grands groupes et grandes organisations internationales influentes au sein tout comme en dehors de AFRINIC. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Mais nous n'allons pas nous laisser faire. On fournira un effort pour faire entendre librement notre voix !<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Merci.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 12:41, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Cher.es membre.s de la communauté francophone,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On a l'impression que vous vous mettez trop à l'écart des discussions qui se déroulent sur cette liste. Je vous invite à faire usage massivement de google translate, pour la compréhension de des échanges qui s(y déroulent. En cas d'incompréhension, n'hésitez pas à écrire sur la liste pour un besoin de plus d'explication et il y aura toujours quelqu'un qui se fera un plaisir à vous répondre et à vous aider à comprendre les fondements des discussions. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Ce qui se dit est d'une telle importance et nous concerne tous, mais c'est triste de constater un manque de participation de votre part. C'est une tribune libre exprimez-vous sans ambages. Ne vous laissez pas intimidé, par certains loup aux destins inavoués, qui trouve un malin plaisir à démonter et démotiver les bonnes personnes exprimant leur opinions. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Si vous ne dites rien, ce sont les plus bavards qui occuperont l'espace et qui se feront entendre et ce sont leurs opinions qui vous seront imposées. A vous de voir, les enjeux sont impportants. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">" A bon lecteur, Salut ! 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