How many times have we gone through this issue over and over again. Someone just wakes up everytime this community is finding some peace and raises this exact issue about this sponsoring this to do this and this sponsoring this to do that. Are we all happy with our utterances here so far? Is this what Afrinic is turning into? Is this the legacy that we want to leave behind? I shake my head in disgust. So what do we intend to achieve after all this banter? This issue was thrashed and buried sometimes back and some folks decided to stir up this non profitable subject. So nothing in this community can be done out of positive intentions anymore. This one suspecting that one and vice versa. Let there be in house respect and also lets respects each others views. As we can all see so what have we achieved with all the mails flying here and there?.<div><div><div><br>On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, Jean-Robert Hountomey <<a href="mailto:jrhountomey@gmail.com">jrhountomey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">> I have observed that people have gradually been staying away from these meetings for lack of funding.</div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">> Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC turn into a "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend meeting determines what happens. This is dangerous and alienating.</div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Organizing local communities and encouraging Remote participation could help. And AfriNIC meetings are recorded. (1).</div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">One could organise communities to attend AfriNIC Meetings remotely. RENs, Local ICT orgs, ISOC Chapters, informal gathering etc… are good candidates for remote viewing and participation. </div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";min-height:14px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">This can go as far as to invite past fellows, LIRs to get together locally, share their experience, expectations and discuss policies implications. One sees a greater impact.</div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">(1). <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/AfriNICMedia/videos" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/user/<wbr>AfriNICMedia/videos</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jean-Robert Hountomey</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:13 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>Hmm... Noah,</p><p>Please do you have a foundation or source of support to bring new
persons into the community during AfriNIC or AIS, because that
will be wonderful. However, I have observed that people have
gradually been staying away from these meetings for lack of
funding.</p><p>Aside the AfriNIC Fellowship and now Larus Foundation do we have
other source of support to bring people to the meetings? I
wouldn't want to instigate the community against a support that
will make the community a robust and engaging one. <br>
</p><p>Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC
turn into a "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend
meeting determines what happens. This is dangerous and alienating.</p><p>I don't see where Larus Foundation is undermining AfriNIC. But,
if we an island and self sufficient can we then ask that all
external support stop and we do our things the way we want.</p><p>my take,</p><p>Daniel<br>
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No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at
the sessions. However, we also don’t want to see
purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual
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what might outrightly be seen as a
silly question but looks like “open
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I realize you and some others wish to take the most
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appreciate the above the line opticals
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always be cognizant of the bellow the
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While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this
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belief that the best policies will evolve from the
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Your continous
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">You are rewarding
people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">As you know, all the
current active policies were discussed and ratified by
this community over the past 20 years and Larus
Foundation was never there when various proposals were
drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the
PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the
years through rough consensus, they got all the active
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