<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 17, 2020, at 13:48 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 00:03 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:49 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left;" class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time they public spend at the mic ?? </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions. However, we also don’t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks like “open mic minutes for sell”</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives. </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process is to</div><div class="">encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged community.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="direction: ltr;" class="">Pls note I’m reading from the response. And not insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Please just say what you mean.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">Owen,</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged community for a better PDP? </font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified by this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never there when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today ratified.</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC. </font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I am confused as to how bringing new blood into the process is “undermining”.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There is already a comment from one of the new bloods that tried to be involved with l</div><div dir="auto" class="">Larus Foundation complaining about your Foundation terms and conditions which are suspect.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Actually, that’s a comment from someone who declined to be involved because he misunderstood the meaning of the terms.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m trying to get permission from him to forward his private response to me saying as much.</div></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">New blood and new ideas are life for any organization or process which intends to continue for more than a very short period of time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">That is why AfriNIC for the past 20 years has been running a successful fellowship program [1].</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>OK, so what’s wrong with augmenting that with additional fellows?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Are you saying that any voice which was not here at the beginning is “undermining the process”?</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Where did i say that? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The combination of your last two statements:</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified by this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never there when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today ratified.</font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div dir="auto" class=""><font face="sans-serif" class="">I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC. </font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Certainly implies that. Otherwise, how is one to interpret the meaning here?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine anything. We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing opportunities for more Africans to participate in the AfriNIC process</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">One can not even compare the Larus Foundation hackjob yourself/daniel are involved with which includes a 500USD cash handouts to its participants with [1].</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2020/002153.html" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2020/002153.html</a></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>The only differences I see between the two fellowship programs are:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>One is sponsored by AfriNIC and the other by Larus</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>One covers only travel expenses, the other provides (in addition to covering travel) an incentive based stipend for participation to help defray other expenses.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Hmmm… It appears one can compare them as I just did.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>