<div dir="auto"><div>Hi co-chairs and community, please see in-line at the bottom... <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 12 févr. 2020 à 15:54, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><i>Dear PDWG</i><div><i><br></i><div><i> Apologies for the slow response,  co-chairs have been caught up with work lately.    Below is a list of objections that were raised. </i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"><i> </i></span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="1" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Some technicalities- human or machine
error in revoking the AS0 state- are unresolved which would affect the
implication of this policy</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author:Taiwo Oyewande</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Are resources reclaimed by Afrinic regarded as
bogons, how long after reclaim of such resources will they be given a ROA with
origin AS0?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">What happens in the case of human or machine
error in revoking the AS0 state. Which can lead to DOS of the resource holder.
I think there are some technicalities unresolved that affect the implication of
this policy which needs to be looked at before moving forward with this policy</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="2" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] The policy involving Afrinic in the
routing would impact staff due to the multiple checks post-implementation</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Afrinic’s operation details should then
be considered</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] policy is not effective as we only have
single-digit percentile of resource allocation -> should be implemented on
global scope</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author:Anthony Ubah</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">>From my understanding, if the policy
involves AfriNIC in the routing</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">process, it is impacting on staff as there
must be multiple checks</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">post-implementation to mitigate
accidental/malicious DOS. In this case,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">don't you think AfriNIC's operational details
should also be considered as</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">well in certain policies like this which are
impacting?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">I'm not abreast of staff impact assessment in
the previous presentations,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">so please offer me some clarity.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Finally looking at this from the AfriNIC lens,
with our single-digit</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">percentile of resource allocation, how
effective will this policy be if</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">other RIRs with bigger resources don not have
an equivalent implementation?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">I think this will only be truly efficient if
implemented on a global scope,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">starting from the RIRs with the bulk of
resources.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="3" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point: a lot of people questioned the impact of this policy and the
     operational overhead of it</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author:Rob Evans</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content: > It has been already submitted to
RIPE and we are waiting right now for the impact analysis. I think unless the
impact analysis finds anything really terrible (which I don’t think is the
case), it will reach consensus.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Your reading of the discussion is different to
mine. I think so far a</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">number of people have questioned the impact
this will have, and the</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">operational overhead to implement it, so I'm
not convinced we should</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">jump to conclusions. :)</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="4" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Questioning if they have enough data on
the operational impact of RIRs (asking for clarification)</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] The policy has no great impact due to
the number of resources within the jurisdiction of AfriNIC.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] the policy is not global/unifrom enough
which would create additional and unreasonable stress.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author:Anthony Ubah</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Although you haven't provided adequate clarity
on impact, which I think</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">must be put into good consideration.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Quoting my previous comment, " I'm not
abreast of staff impact assessment</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">in the previous presentations, so please offer
me some clarity"</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Do we have data on the operational
implication/Impact of other RIRs that</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">have this ion consideration, and/or that which
has adopted and implemented</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">it?</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Also, I'm still curious about the
effectiveness of this policy if it is</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">implemented on RIR to RIR basis. I think it
will be of no great impact,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">judging by the number of resources within the
jurisdiction of AfriNIC.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">I honestly think this policy is very
operational and should be reviewed.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Only a global policy will be reasonable
because a none uniform policy might</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">create additional and unreasonable stress.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="5" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Concern about the implementation process
due to errors such as “timing and wrong route origin authorisation” previously
discussed</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Taiwo Oyewande</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">My main concern about this proposal still
remains how smooth the implementation can be (automated or manual). I recommend
an additional clause be added to the proposal to limit implementation errors
such as “timing and wrong route origin authorisation” previously discussed</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="6" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Asks for a staff impact analysis to
clear confusions</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Concerned about how timelines for
revocations and new allocations might be affected by the revocation of AS0 VRP
and how this will disappear from validator caches worldwide</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Paschal Ochang</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">The perceived impacts will continue to be
there until perhaps a staff</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">impact analysis probably clears the air and
this is one of the reasons I</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">supported the staff impact analysis which was
opposed by some. I also have</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">some concerns regarding how timelines for
revocations and new allocations</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">might be affected by the revocation of AS0 VRP
and how this will disappear</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">from validator caches worldwide.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="7" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] Government would take all the control of
RPKI and hence unable to ensure users can use the Internet freely and
legitimately.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Blaise Fyama</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">I do not support the RPKI ROAs for Unallocated
and Unassigned Afrinic</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Address Space policy as it raises the concern
about the control of</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">internet; should we have to let the government
take all control of RPKI and</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">therefore representing a risk on how to make
sure the use of Internet free</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">and legitimate. I therefore object it on the
the engagement of a free</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">internet controlled by the community and its
users.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="8" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] The proposal centralises the control of
the internet to the government.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Kakel Mbumb</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">The proposal for RPKI is not applicable as it
centralises the control of</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">internet; and also represents a potential risk
for government to overtake</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">it.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">We are a community and need to be independent
on the way we treat our</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">resources.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="9" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point:</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] RPKI does not stop boon</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">- [ ] it centralises the control of internet
to the government</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Kakel Mbumb</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Hello all, i think RPKI asks for bogon but
does not stop bogon and it shall</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">not involve in routing issue. Do we really
want it to centralise the</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">control of the internet because it can present
potential risk for</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">government to overtake it.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Regards..</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<ol style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm" start="10" type="1">
 <li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Objection
     Point: same as above</span></li>
</ol>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Author: Kakel Mbumb</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Content:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">Hello Jordi, what I mean is RPKI centralises
the control of the Internet</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">and allows AFRINIC to create ROAs for all
unallocated and unassigned</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">address space under its control. Only AFRINIC
has the authority to create</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">RPKI ROAs for address space not yet allocated
or assigned to its members.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN">This thus concentrates the control of the
internet to AFRINIC.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">We have also critically examined the response(s) from the authors and we still believe that this proposal requires more discussion on a number of the issue raised hence we are not yet recommending it for ratification. </span></i></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I was expecting the results of your examination of both objections and responses from authors to tell:</div><div dir="auto"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">    </span>⁃<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">     </span>why is objection relevant</div><div dir="auto"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">   </span>⁃<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">     </span>Why authors responses do not address the objections</div><div dir="auto"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>⁃<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">     </span>What need more discussion</div><div dir="auto">The  discussion points  could then set the expectations for the further discussions as you seem to recommend.</div><div dir="auto">if we don’t follow this, we  will once again end up in an endless dialogue.</div><div dir="auto">That is what the cochairs job is about., but  we are still at i/we believe” </div><div dir="auto"><br style="font-family:sans-serif"></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><i><br></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><i>We also understand that the community has a diverse voice on this proposal. However, Co-chairs want to emphasise the fact that we are human beings.  If anyone finds some error in our decisions you are welcome to appeal it in line with the CPM.</i></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="">The PDP has provision for appeal as disagreement may happen and had happened before... I dont see why you have to emphasize the fact that you are “human beings”. Is there a hidden message?</div><div dir="auto" style=""><br></div><div dir="auto" style=""><b>Disclaimer</b> </div><div dir="auto" style="">This message is not intended to influence the appeal process, but just to help improve the PDP,</div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Co-Chair PDWG</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">  </p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">--</div><div dir="auto">Arnaud </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN"> </span></p></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:15 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">By the way, just to clarify one of my points.<br>
<br>
The message from the chairs (<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010326.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010326.html</a>), indicates "we believe it requires more discussion", and according the CPM 3.4.3, it may be interpreted as extending the last call.<br>
<br>
So, unless either the co-chairs clarify that, or the appeal committee has the same interpretation on that message, the appeal need to be submitted within 2-weeks of that message (which is today).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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El 12/2/20 13:59, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br>
<br>
    Hi co-chairs, all,<br>
<br>
    I don't want to put any pressure on you, I fully understand how difficult is to take decisions in the PDP, but in my opinion, as well as other co-authors and other participants from the PDWG, there was not any justified objection during the last call.<br>
<br>
    However, by chance (I was looking for something else in the CPM) I just realized that the procedure in the CPM, as per section 3.5.2, states that an appeal must be submitted within 2 weeks of the public knowledge of the decision.<br>
<br>
    I don't know if you already looked at this deadline and we should already expect your response in the next few hours.<br>
<br>
    Otherwise, as this 2-weeks period expires today, we need to take a decision, *unless* the Appeal Committee can respond to this message, confirming that they will consider the 2-weeks period only starting once the co-chairs re-confirm its decision. I think this is feasible, because they already mention they are hearing the inputs and working on it.<br>
<br>
    Thanks for responding as promptly as possible (and maybe wasting time in an appeal if not really needed).<br>
<br>
    Regards,<br>
    Jordi<br>
    @jordipalet<br>
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