<div><div dir="auto">PLEASE edit the subject line if you are responding to to a digest thread.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your comment Fernando.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it is far more difficult than you explain and even less likely to happen.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That being said - the objection was raised before, without any justification. A number of us asked the writers to please substantiate their objection and explain their purported risk. The writers failed to provide any justification for their view. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Simply repeating an unsubstantiated and frankly unsustainable objection does not make it valid.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Given there is no technical or legal justification provided, I think the objection can be disregard as unsubstantiated.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 18:36, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hello</p>
<p>This is actually not the case.<br>
If there is a believe any African government can do that this is
not true. This would be possible only if the Judiciary Power of
Mauritius (where AfriNic is headquarted) mandates that.</p>
<p>Also if this proposal doesn't pass it is still possible that the
Judiciary Power mandated AfriNic do the same regardless there is a
policy (which is an administrative thing) for that or not. This is
very unlikely to happen though. Therefore any other African
Governments cannot do anything so easily as thought.</p></div><div>
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I do not support the RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned
Afrinic Address Space policy as it raises the concern about the
control of internet; should we have to let the government take
all control of RPKI and therefore representing a risk on how to
make sure the use of Internet free and legitimate. I therefore
object it on the the engagement of a free internet controlled by
the community and its users.
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all, i think RPKI asks for bogon but does not stop bogon
and it shall not involve in routing issue. Do we really
want it to centralise the control of the internet because
it can present potential risk for government to overtake
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:19:17 +0100<br>
From: Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
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Hi Frank & chairs,<br>
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> There were no new problems or arguments that were not
addresses, during the last call.<br>
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I think this is correct. As a community we should listen
and try to understand all objections. Once they are
addressed (but not necessarily accommodated) they should
not block consensus anymore.<br>
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> If that is a wrong understanding, we request guidance
from the co-chairs as to what the remaining problems are.<br>
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It would be useful (at least for proposals which cause
much discussion) if the chairs could make a list of raised
objections and whether or not they have been addressed
(where useful with links to the mailing list archives).
That way there is transparency on how their decision was
reached.<br>
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One example is <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-February/011987.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-February/011987.html</a><br>
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I do realise this is a lot of work. In the RIPE region we
(when I was still a chair) often got help from RIPE NCC.
They would help us with making the first draft, and then
the chairs would verify that and publish it. It always
remains the responsibility of the chairs, but that doesn't
mean they have to refuse help :)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Sander<br>
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