<div><div dir="auto">PLEASE edit the subject line if you are responding to to a digest thread.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your comment Fernando.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it is far more difficult than you explain and even less likely to happen.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That being said - the objection was raised before, without any justification. A number of us asked the writers to please substantiate their objection and explain their purported risk. The writers failed to provide any justification for their view. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Simply repeating an unsubstantiated and frankly unsustainable objection does not make it valid.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Given there is no technical or legal justification provided, I think the objection can be disregard as unsubstantiated.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 18:36, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hello</p>
    <p>This is actually not the case.<br>
      If there is a believe any African government can do that this is
      not true. This would be possible only if the Judiciary Power of
      Mauritius (where AfriNic is headquarted) mandates that.</p>
    <p>Also if this proposal doesn't pass it is still possible that the
      Judiciary Power mandated AfriNic do the same regardless there is a
      policy (which is an administrative thing) for that or not. This is
      very unlikely to happen though. Therefore any other African
      Governments cannot do anything so easily as thought.</p></div><div>
    <p>Fernando<br>
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    <div>On 30/01/2020 13:14, Blaise Fyama
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        I do not support the RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned
        Afrinic Address Space policy as it raises the concern about the
        control of internet; should we have to let the government take
        all control of RPKI and therefore representing a risk on how to
        make sure the use of Internet free and legitimate. I therefore
        object it on the the engagement of a free internet controlled by
        the community and its users.
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          <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Blaise FYAMA<br>
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            Msc, PhD.<br>
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            Professeur Associé<br>
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            Secrétaire Général Académique Honoraire/UL<br>
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            Doyen de la Faculté des Sciences Informatiques/UL<br>
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            Chef de Département Génie Electrique/ESI-UNILU<br>
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            Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU<br>
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            Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK<br>
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            Tel: +243995579515<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 30 janv. 2020 à 16:52,
          Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" target="_blank">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>> a
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hello
              all, i think RPKI asks for bogon but does not stop bogon
              and it shall not involve in routing issue. Do we really
              want it to centralise the control of the internet because
              it can present potential risk for government to overtake
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                 1. Re: End of LAST call (Sander Steffann)<br>
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              Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:19:17 +0100<br>
              From: Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
              To: Frank Habicht <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>><br>
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              Subject: Re: [rpd] End of LAST call<br>
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              Hi Frank & chairs,<br>
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              > There were no new problems or arguments that were not
              addresses, during the last call.<br>
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              I think this is correct. As a community we should listen
              and try to understand all objections. Once they are
              addressed (but not necessarily accommodated) they should
              not block consensus anymore.<br>
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              > If that is a wrong understanding, we request guidance
              from the co-chairs as to what the remaining problems are.<br>
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              It would be useful (at least for proposals which cause
              much discussion) if the chairs could make a list of raised
              objections and whether or not they have been addressed
              (where useful with links to the mailing list archives).
              That way there is transparency on how their decision was
              reached.<br>
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              One example is <a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-February/011987.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2017-February/011987.html</a><br>
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              I do realise this is a lot of work. In the RIPE region we
              (when I was still a chair) often got help from RIPE NCC.
              They would help us with making the first draft, and then
              the chairs would verify that and publish it. It always
              remains the responsibility of the chairs, but that doesn't
              mean they have to refuse help :)<br>
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              Cheers,<br>
              Sander<br>
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