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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span style='font-size:12.0pt'></span></span><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Anthony,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The impact should be provided by the staff.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>They provided some info during the meeting, probably you can review it in the video, slides and minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Impact analysis is going to be publish for RIPE in a matter of days, I think. LACNIC already published it, quoting the most relevant part (from their web site):<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>“</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Impact of the policy on LACNIC's systems<br>-------------------------------------------<br>This proposal would require changes to the RPKI infrastructure.<span class=EstiloCorreo19>”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>They don’t indicate any “red flags” or anything broken or so.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=EstiloCorreo19><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Also, I think it is clear that every RIR doing this means 20% of “global” impact. In IPv4 the impact in unallocated/unassigned resources may be law, as there aren’t too many free, but just think in IPv6! In AFRINIC there is more IPv6 unallocated/unassigned space from the first /23+/12, so it actually has a “higher” impact!</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 9/1/20 12:32, "Anthony Ubah" <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Owen,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Although you haven't provided adequate clarity on impact, which I think must be put into good consideration. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Quoting my previous comment, " I'm not abreast of staff impact assessment in the previous presentations, so please offer me some clarity" <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Do we have data on the operational implication/Impact of other RIRs that have this ion consideration, and/or that which has adopted and implemented it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Also, I'm still curious about the effectiveness of this policy if it is implemented on RIR to RIR basis. I think it will be of no great impact, judging by the number of resources within the jurisdiction of AfriNIC. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I honestly think this policy is very operational and should be reviewed. Only a global policy will be reasonable because a none uniform policy might create additional and unreasonable stress.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Best Regards,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>UBAH ANTHONY</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:22 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RPKI in general involves AfriNIC in the routing process.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This proposal does not significantly expand that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Without any change in policy, anyone can issue an AS0 ROA for their holdings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This proposal merely creates the ability for AfriNIC to issue AS0 ROAs for space which is both under AfriNIC administration and not issued to anyone.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This is a good thing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It does not create any new opportunities for DOS.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Jan 6, 2020, at 01:18 , Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com" target="_blank">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>An observation. I might be wrong, so correct me if I am. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>From my understanding, if the policy involves AfriNIC in the routing process, it is impacting on staff as there must be multiple checks post-implementation to mitigate accidental/malicious DOS. In this case, don't you think AfriNIC's operational details should also be considered as well in certain policies like this which are impacting?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I'm not abreast of staff impact assessment in the previous presentations, so please offer me some clarity.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Finally looking at this from the AfriNIC lens, with our single-digit percentile of resource allocation, how effective will this policy be if other RIRs with bigger resources don not have an equivalent implementation? I think this will only be truly efficient if implemented on a global scope, starting from the RIRs with the bulk of resources.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>A Happy New year to everyone</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Best Regards,</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Garamond",serif'>UBAH ANTHONY</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt;line-height:150%'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 8:53 AM <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated<br> and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space" (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:52:20 +0100<br>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for<br> Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space"<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:F8A958E3-701E-43A5-9236-6067083B51C6@consulintel.es" target="_blank">F8A958E3-701E-43A5-9236-6067083B51C6@consulintel.es</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi Taiwo,<br><br><br><br>In the policy we don?t talk about specific operational details, such as timing. This up to the staff to set.<br><br><br><br>Human errors are possible even without this policy, right? The implementation should make sure that that doesn?t happen.<br><br><br><br>An human error can make allocated/assigned space to appear back as unnallocated/unnasigned space and given to another member. So this policy doesn?t change that. But of course, there should be sufficient checks in the implementation to avoid that.<br><br><br><br>According to what you say, *any* policy should wait for the implementation so we decide if we agree on the consensus of *not just the policy* but the *implementation as well* ?<br><br><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>El 6/1/20 7:19, "Taiwo Oyewande" <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br><br><br><br><br><br>Are resources reclaimed by Afrinic regarded as bogons, how long after reclaim of such resources will they be given a ROA with origin AS0?<br><br><br><br>What happens in the case of human or machine error in revoking the AS0 state. Which can lead to DOS of the resource holder. I think there are some technicalities unresolved that affect the implication of this policy which needs to be looked at before moving forward with this policy<br><br><br>On 4 Jan 2020, at 12:40, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi Kakel,<br><br><br><br>I believe you?re getting it wrong.<br><br><br><br>I can?t see how this proposal has any implications in any government manipulation over Internet. Can you explain it?<br><br><br><br>Remember that to oposse to any proposal, you need to reasonably justifiy your opossition, specially during the last-call, in case something hasn?t been discovered in the previous stage, when the proposal already reached consensus.<br><br><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>El 4/1/20 12:23, "Kakel Mbumb" <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com" target="_blank">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br><br><br><br>The proposal for RPKI is not applicable as it centralises the control of internet; and also represents a potential risk for government to overtake it. <br><br>We are a community and need to be independent on the way we treat our resources; so i oppose this proposal. <br><br>KAKEL MBUMB<br><br>Charg? du D?partement Entrepreneuriat au Forum National de la Jeunesse (FNJ)<br><br>Coordinator, YPARD-RDC Grand Katanga, Agricultural Development through Youths<br><br>Project Vice Coordinator, Agribusiness Cooperative - CAAPJECO<br><br>Consultant, RESOJEC, Youth Chamber of Commerce<br><br>Country Representative, Mashinani Hub ,ICT skills for rural communities<br><br>Yali RLC EA Cohort 6 Alumnus, Business & Entrepreneurship<br><br>Lubumbashi, Haut-Katanga Province<br><br>Democratic Republic of the Congo (Congo, DRC)<br><br>Phone: +243 993 656 038 (Whatsapp) <br><br>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/kakelmbumb" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/kakelmbumb</a><br><br>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KakelMbumb" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/KakelMbumb</a><br><br>Linked in: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kakel-mbumb-240534ba/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kakel-mbumb-240534ba/</a><br><br>Skype: kakel.mbumb1<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Le sam. 4 janv. 2020 ? 12:07, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a ?crit :<br><br>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and<br> Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space" (Sylvain Baya)<br> 2. Re: New policy proposals and updated ones - RPKI-ROAs<br> (Daniel Yakmut)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 00:01:55 +0100<br>From: Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>, "PDWG's Mailing List"<br> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: [rpd] AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated<br> and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space"<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:CAJjTEvEDJog_EvR8O5VYvi6uf%2ByhdN-tsWhzaxnhkDH4mGSTwg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAJjTEvEDJog_EvR8O5VYvi6uf+yhdN-tsWhzaxnhkDH4mGSTwg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br><br>Hi all,<br><br>Best wishes for this new year ; added in the Grace era !<br><br>Please my comments are below (inline)...<br><br>2020-01-03 17:46 UTC+01:00, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>>:<br>><br>><br>>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 06:38 , Paschal Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Hello Jordi,<br>>> feliz Navidad y un Feliz A?o Nuevo.<br>>><br>>> I have some concerns regarding this proposal and also some clarifications<br>>> .<br>>><br>>> I think statistically AFRINIC has a good percentage of IPv4 address space<br>>> covered by route origin authorization as compared to APNIC. APNIC has a<br>>> very low percentage statically hence it's hurried acceptance of the<br>>> proposal.<br>><br>> I corrected the subject line to be descriptive of what is meant by ?the<br>> proposal/this proposal??<br>><br><br>Dear Owen,<br><br>Thanks for your email.<br><br>...yes ! adjusting the subject line helps to focus the discussion,<br>but i'm not sure that there was a real need in this particular case :-/<br><br>...btw, your timing is perfect, with the new year :-D<br><br>><br>> There?s no relationship between your statement and the proposal.<br>><br><br>...not sure !<br>But if you append ?intent? to ?proposal? ; then i'll certainly agree ; -)<br><br>...please see below.<br><br>><br>> The proposal creates AS0 ROAs for addresses in the RIR inventory which have<br>> not been issued or which have been reclaimed or returned.<br>><br><br>Exact !<br><br>...but don't forget that usually, in this PDWG, the title and problem statement<br>(and even the description of the proposed solution) of a DPP (Draft Policy<br>Proposal) means nothing.<br><br>Yes, that's sad ! but true :'-(<br><br>><br>> It has nothing to do with addresses which have been issued but are not<br>> covered by an ROA.<br>><br>> As such, I see no problem with the proposal.<br>><br>>> I think using the approach in this policy is majorly to handle accidental<br>>> incidents rather than malicious attacks whereby someone might try to<br>>> manipulate an AS path.<br>><br>> RPKI does nothing at all to help with manipulated AS Paths. It is only<br>> effective against prefixes originated from the wrong ASN.<br>><br>> In the case of this policy, it will aid in the prevention/detection of<br>> unauthorized use of unallocated number resources.<br>><br>>> It is suggested to always drop invalid announcements, rather than applying<br>>> a lower preference. This is because sub-prefix hijackings would be still<br>>> possible if invalids are accepted and this would go against the purpose of<br>>> RPKI validation. However I think the text should state how invalids<br>>> should be dropped in order not to trigger loosing connectivity.<br>><br>> I?m not sure how many different ways you think there are to drop a route. At<br>> least on the routers I?ve run (Cisco, Juniper, Mikrotik, Vyatta, Ascend,<br>> Livingston, Foundry, etc.), you can either drop a prefix or accept it. The<br>> decision is binary and there are not multiple ?ways? to drop on. In some<br>> cases, you can choose additional behaviors such as logging, but I hardly see<br>> that as relevant to whether connectivity is preserved or not.<br>><br>> I think what you may be missing in your understanding is that Invalid is not<br>> the same as Unknown. RPKI validation provides three possible results:<br>> 1. Valid ? The route matches a ROA and the ROA matches the Origin ASN.<br>> Further, the ROA signature chain is cryptographically valid.<br>> 2. Invalid ? The route matches a ROA, but either the ROA signature fails<br>> validation or the Origin ASN does not match or the prefix length is longer<br>> than the specified maximum.<br>> 3. Not Found/Unknown ? The route does not match a ROA<br>><br>> Note that a prefix which is shorter than an intersecting ROA is considered<br>> not to match. See table below for details on how this works out:<br>><br>><br>> ROA Prefix<br>> MAX Length<br>> Origin AS<br>> Received Prefix<br>> Origin AS<br>> Result<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 24<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 64498<br>> Invalid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 24<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 64498<br>> Invalid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 24<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 65550<br>> Valid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 24<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 65550<br>> Invalid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 28<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 64498<br>> Unknown<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 28<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 65550<br>> Unknown<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 28<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 64498<br>> Invalid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 28<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/28" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/28</a><br>> 65550<br>> Valid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 24<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.64/26" target="_blank">192.0.2.64/26</a><br>> 65550<br>> Invalid<br>><br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.0/24" target="_blank">192.0.2.0/24</a><br>> 28<br>> 65550<br>> <a href="http://192.0.2.64/26" target="_blank">192.0.2.64/26</a><br>> 65550<br>> Valid<br>><br>><br>>> Finally I dont think it will be a nice idea allowing resource holders to<br>>> create AS0 ROA as I think this scenario might increase the issue of<br>>> invalid prefixes in the routing tables.<br>><br>> This proposal does not allow resource holders to create AS0 ROAs. It expects<br>> AfriNIC to create AS0 ROAs for space which is within AfriNIC administration,<br>> but which is not currently issued.<br>><br><br>...i think the following portion of the [1] text explains the concerns<br>raised by Paschal :<br><br>?[...] Any resource holder can create AS0 (zero) ROAs for the<br>resources they have<br>under their account/administration.<br><br>An RPKI ROA is a positive attestation that a prefix holder has<br>authorized an Autonomous System to originate a route for this prefix<br>to the global BGP routing table. An RPKI ROA for the same prefixes<br>with AS0 (zero) origin shows a negative intent from the resource<br>holder to have the prefixes advertised in the global BGP routing<br>table. [...]?<br>__<br>[1]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-006-d1/amp" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-006-d1/amp</a>><br><br>><br>> I hope that clarifies the situation.<br>><br><br>...not sure, but you did more for most of the participants, in<br>promoting RPKI (Resource Public Key Infrastructure), ROA (Route Origin<br>Autorisation) and ROV (RPKI-based route Origin Validation). So,<br>validate and drop non-valid routes...<br><br>IMHO, what would clarify is to :<br><br>??/<br>?'drop'/remove that portion of the text :-)<br>? (eventually) create a sub-section to provide definitions<br> for new concepts. The definition sub-section would remove<br>any ambiguity.<br>? (even if i think that this proposal is too much operational)<br>simplify the core policy text like this :<br>?1| ?AFRINIC MUST/will create ROAs with origin AS0 for all<br>the unallocated and unassigned address space (IPv4 & IPv6)<br>for which it is the current administrator.?<br>?2| (i prefer this less operational version) ?AFRINIC MUST/will<br>flag/mark all the unused (unallocated & unassigned) address<br>space (IPv4 & IPv6) for which it is the current administrator.<br>In order to render its unused address space unsquattable<br>in a global secured routing context.?<br>? ...<br>??\<br><br>The difference with my version (2|) is that it's more agnostic<br>(technologcally/operationally speaking) and portable then it<br>could (probably) more easily pass in all RIRs with the same<br>text. To be proposed as a global policy : final/first goal of the<br>authors :-)<br><br>...to be clearer, i prefer ?resource? rather than ?address space? ;-)<br><br>Shalom,<br>--sb.<br><br>><br>> Owen<br>><br>>><br>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD<br>>> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>>> Hi Sylvain,<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> El 5/11/19 6:11, "Sylvain Baya" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>> escribi?:<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Hope you are doing well.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Please comments below (inline)...<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> a ?crit :<br>>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>><br>>> [...]<br>>> This is the list of new policy proposals (note that the numbering can be<br>>> modified by the staff when published).<br>>><br>>> 1) AFPUB-2019-IPv6-002-DRAFT01: "Adjusting IPv6 PA Policy"<br>>> Solves a discrepancy between IPv6 PI and IPv6 PA regarding the<br>>> announcement of aggregated addressing space.<br>>><br>>> 2) AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01: "Chairs Elections Process"<br>>> Including in the CPM a detailed procedure for the chair's elections.<br>>><br>>> 3) AFPUB-2019-GEN-004-DRAFT01: "M&A Resource Transfers"<br>>> Including in the CPM intra-RIR M&A for ASN, IPv4 and IPv6.<br>>><br>>> 4) AFPUB-2019-GEN-005-DRAFT01: "Impact Analysis is Mandatory"<br>>><br>>> 5) AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned<br>>> AFRINIC Address Space"<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ...i like this one. I recall that i was thinking ok how to solve the<br>>> problem of 'Internet resources<br>>><br>>> squatting'. I was naively imagining a solution where a RIR will have to<br>>> flag all their<br>>><br>>> unallocated|unassigned Address Space ; via a particular attribute of the<br>>> IRR (Internet Routing<br>>><br>>> Registry). Now i understand that i was not too dummy or even crazy :-)<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Oh no! In that case the crazy one is me :-) !<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Please send me your DPP (Draft Policy Proposal), i can not wait more to<br>>> review it ;-)<br>>><br>>> Thanks.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> I was thinking in sending them in order (2 more today, 2 more tomorrow),<br>>> but as you have interest in this one. My next one will be this one, I<br>>> promise! Give me first a few minutes to respond to all the emails I got<br>>> till now ?<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Shalom,<br>>><br>>> --sb.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Updated policy proposals:<br>>><br>>> a) AFPUB-2019-ASN-001-DRAFT03: "Multihoming not required for ASN"<br>>><br>>> b) AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT02: "IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers<br>>> (Comprehensive Scope)"<br>>><br>>> c) AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT04: "Abuse Contact Policy Update"<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Jordi<br>>> @jordipalet<br>>><br>>> [...]<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Best Regards !<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Sylvain BAYA<br>>><br>>> cmNOG's Co-Founder & Coordinator<br>>><br>>> (+237) 677005341<br>>><br>>> PO Box 13107 YAOUNDE / CAMEROON<br>>><br>>> baya.sylvain [AT cmNOG DOT cm]<br>>><br>>> abscoco2001 [AT yahoo DOT fr]<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.cmnog.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.cmnog.cm</a> <<a href="http://www.cmnog.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.cmnog.cm/</a>><br>>> <a href="https://cmnog.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">https://cmnog.wordpress.com</a> <<a href="https://cmnog.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">https://cmnog.wordpress.com/</a>><br>>> ************************<br>>><br>>> ?#?LASAINTEBIBLE(?#?Romains15:33):"Que LE ?#?DIEU de ?#?Paix soit avec<br>>> vous tous!?#?Amen!"<br>>><br>>> ?#?MaPri?re est que tu naisses de nouveau.<br>>><br>>> ?#?Chr?tiennement<br>>><br>>> ? 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DIEU!*? (#Psaumes42:2)<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 11:05:58 +0100<br>From: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" target="_blank">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>To: Paschal Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource<br> Policy" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] New policy proposals and updated ones - RPKI-ROAs<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:af4aee1c-37a2-fd08-1672-e4b02f124de5@gmail.com" target="_blank">af4aee1c-37a2-fd08-1672-e4b02f124de5@gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br><br>The current state of RPKI infrastructure, does not provide a sufficient <br>period between revocation of ROA and notification that a given prefix <br>has been allocated to an organization, which can impact considerably on <br>allocations. Except we can be able to provide a sufficient period or <br>create a different procedure, the proposal for the RPKI-ROAs does not fly.<br><br>On 30/12/2019 6:12 pm, Paschal Ochang wrote:<br>> Yes in a way.<br>><br>> On Monday, December 30, 2019, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a> <br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> On 30/12/2019 11:38, Paschal Ochang wrote:<br>>><br>>> It is suggested to always drop invalid announcements, rather than<br>>> applying a lower preference. This is because sub-prefix<br>>> hijackings would be still possible if invalids are accepted and<br>>> this would go against the purpose of RPKI validation. However? I<br>>> think the text should state how invalids should be dropped in<br>>> order not to trigger loosing connectivity.<br>><br>> If I understand correctly what you are willing to say, no proposal<br>> should have on the text a way Autonomous Systems must treat<br>> announcements they receive as it's their own decision. Some may<br>> decide to drop what is recommended and some might just lower<br>> preference at their own discretion right ?<br>><br>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD<br>>> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Hi Sylvain,<br>>><br>>> El 5/11/19 6:11, "Sylvain Baya" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>> escribi?:<br>>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>><br>>> Hope you are doing well.<br>>><br>>> Please comments below (inline)...<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Le mardi 5 novembre 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD<br>>> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>> a ?crit?:<br>>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>><br>>> [...]<br>>> This is the list of new policy proposals (note that the<br>>> numbering can be modified by the staff when published).<br>>><br>>> 1) AFPUB-2019-IPv6-002-DRAFT01: "Adjusting IPv6 PA Policy"<br>>> Solves a discrepancy between IPv6 PI and IPv6 PA<br>>> regarding the announcement of aggregated addressing space.<br>>><br>>> 2) AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01: "Chairs Elections Process"<br>>> Including in the CPM a detailed procedure for the chair's<br>>> elections.<br>>><br>>> 3) AFPUB-2019-GEN-004-DRAFT01: "M&A Resource Transfers"<br>>> Including in the CPM intra-RIR M&A for ASN, IPv4 and IPv6.<br>>><br>>> 4) AFPUB-2019-GEN-005-DRAFT01: "Impact Analysis is Mandatory"<br>>><br>>> 5) AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT01: "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated<br>>> and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space"<br>>><br>>> ...i like this one. I recall that i was thinking ok how to<br>>> solve the problem of 'Internet resources<br>>><br>>> squatting'. I was naively imagining a solution where a RIR<br>>> will have to flag all their<br>>><br>>> unallocated|unassigned Address Space ; via a particular<br>>> attribute of the IRR (Internet Routing<br>>><br>>> Registry). Now i understand that i was not too dummy or even<br>>> crazy :-)<br>>><br>>> Oh no! In that case the crazy one is me :-) !<br>>><br>>> Please send me your DPP (Draft Policy Proposal), i can not<br>>> wait more to review it ;-)<br>>><br>>> Thanks.<br>>><br>>> I was thinking in sending them in order (2 more today, 2 more<br>>> tomorrow), but as you have interest in this one. My next one<br>>> will be this one, I promise! Give me first a few minutes to<br>>> respond to all the emails I got till now ?<br>>><br>>> Shalom,<br>>><br>>> --sb.<br>>><br>>> Updated policy proposals:<br>>><br>>> a) AFPUB-2019-ASN-001-DRAFT03: "Multihoming not required<br>>> for ASN"<br>>><br>>> b) AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT02: "IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource<br>>> Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)"<br>>><br>>> c) AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT04: "Abuse Contact Policy Update"<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Jordi<br>>> @jordipalet<br>>><br>>> [...]<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -- <br>>><br>>> -- <br>>><br>>> ?Best Regards !<br>>><br>>> Sylvain BAYA<br>>><br>>> ?cmNOG's Co-Founder & Coordinator<br>>><br>>> ?(+237) 677005341<br>>><br>>> ?PO Box 13107 YAOUNDE / CAMEROON<br>>><br>>> baya.sylvain [AT cmNOG DOT cm]<br>>><br>>> ?abscoco2001 [AT yahoo DOT fr]<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.cmnog.cm/" target="_blank">http://www.cmnog.cm</a><br>>><br>>> <a href="https://cmnog.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">https://cmnog.wordpress.com</a><br>>><br>>> ?************************<br>>><br>>> ?#?LASAINTEBIBLE(?#?Romains15:33):"Que LE ?#?DIEU de ?#?Paix<br>>> soit avec vous tous!?#?Amen!"<br>>><br>>> ?#?MaPri?re est que tu naisses de nouveau.<br>>><br>>> ?#?Chr?tiennement<br>>><br>>> ? ? ? ? ? ?? 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