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I like this version of the proposal despite that some editorials are required. </div>
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I would like to draw your attention to the impacts of this proposal on the AFRINIC Membership fees.</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="text-align: left;">I believe both section 4 and Section 6 should be revisit as it's not considering multiple ASNs for LIR and EU. Maybe such alignment will be made during staff analysis buts it's better to have it in mind earlier.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2019 7:22:14 PM<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">If there is an editorial interpretation problem, we can adjust it, this is not an issue, because in the justification is clear also the intent.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 25/11/19 17:12, "Fernando Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Right Jordi, I also see on that way. But the most important is that staff also understands the same way the technical justifications for organizations to receive an ASN whenever they feel like becoming an Autonomous Systems even
if they have a single upstream. It is good for them and it is good for the RIR as well.</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Best regards<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 25/11/2019 12:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Fernando,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think they read the same, as explained by Owen. I asked him about that when he proposed that text and I thought about that many times.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think it is clear that if you have a single upstream provider and ask you for a public ASN, it is a technical requirement for *<b>that connection</b>*.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">The “or” with the rest of the sentence mean that “both” are choices.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Note that was the main motivation to have this policy change (single upstream, no other peerings).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 25/11/19 16:44, "Fernando Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">The change you made on 7.2.2 from "<span class="x_jsx-406281813">Single interconnection, with a provider that requires a public" to "Show a unique routing policy or demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique"
means different things in my view and may make things slightly more difficult for organizations to receive an ASN.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">When it says "show a unique routing policy" doesn't necessarily mean two Transit providers (it could be an IX, a private peering to another ASN, etc), but excludes the possibility to have an ASN with
a single Transit Upstream. On the second part that says "demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique ASN" what kind of technical need could for example be acceptable to justify to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream provider (have
their own assigned IP space ?) ?</span><br>
<span class="x_jsx-406281813">My concern is not to exclude de possibility for organizations to have an ASN even if they have a single interconnection with their Transit Upstream.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">Could you clarify this please ?</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">Thanks</span><br>
<span class="x_jsx-406281813">Fernando Frediani</span></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:70.8pt">Find attached a new version of the proposal "Multihoming not required for ASN", following the latest inputs in the list.</pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:70.8pt">I've also prepared an online diff of the changes to the proposed policy text, so it is easy to track:</pre>
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<b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">If there is an editorial interpretation problem, we can adjust it, this is not an issue, because in the justification is clear also the intent.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hopefully the staff can say something about it :-)</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Right Jordi, I also see on that way. But the most important is that staff also understands the same way the technical justifications for organizations to receive an ASN whenever they feel like becoming an Autonomous Systems even
if they have a single upstream. It is good for them and it is good for the RIR as well.</p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Best regards<br>
Fernando Frediani</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 25/11/2019 12:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Fernando,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think they read the same, as explained by Owen. I asked him about that when he proposed that text and I thought about that many times.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think it is clear that if you have a single upstream provider and ask you for a public ASN, it is a technical requirement for *<b>that connection</b>*.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">The “or” with the rest of the sentence mean that “both” are choices.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Note that was the main motivation to have this policy change (single upstream, no other peerings).</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:70.8pt">The change you made on 7.2.2 from "<span class="x_jsx-406281813">Single interconnection, with a provider that requires a public" to "Show a unique routing policy or demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique"
means different things in my view and may make things slightly more difficult for organizations to receive an ASN.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">When it says "show a unique routing policy" doesn't necessarily mean two Transit providers (it could be an IX, a private peering to another ASN, etc), but excludes the possibility to have an ASN with
a single Transit Upstream. On the second part that says "demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique ASN" what kind of technical need could for example be acceptable to justify to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream provider (have
their own assigned IP space ?) ?</span><br>
<span class="x_jsx-406281813">My concern is not to exclude de possibility for organizations to have an ASN even if they have a single interconnection with their Transit Upstream.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">Could you clarify this please ?</span></p>
<p style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span class="x_jsx-406281813">Thanks</span><br>
<span class="x_jsx-406281813">Fernando Frediani</span></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:70.8pt">Find attached a new version of the proposal "Multihoming not required for ASN", following the latest inputs in the list.</pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:70.8pt">I've also prepared an online diff of the changes to the proposed policy text, so it is easy to track:</pre>
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