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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/2019 22:04, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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<div>I do not feel that 5.7.5 is needed. First, by the time this
policy can be implemented, it’s extraordinarily unlikely that
we will not already be in Phase 2. Second, even if that is not
the case, at this point, there is no reason to prohibit
organizations that wish to obtain resources via the transfer
market from doing so.</div>
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I think this is the most important part of the new version, actually
without that I would never be able to support it and that was what
many others also manifested in the previous discussion.<br>
It is a simple, fair and clear rule: "when Phase 2 starts", then
there is no risk at all of it starting earlier than it should.<br>
I do not believe there will be many if any cases that will require
such big transfers as I do not believe any possible organization is
able to justify more than a /13 *at once*. In a very remote
hypothesis this is possible they can just receive the /13, work with
it in the meantime and wait until Phase 2 kicks in (pretty soon) to
be able to transfer whatever else. This is very reasonable, and
makes it more simple with a single rule for all.<br>
<p>Furthermore I don't think if changing that way it would be
reciprocal to other RIRs because it would not be valid for
outgoing from AfriNic. Therefore not worth concern about this.<br>
The current text is fine in my view.<br>
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<div class="">On Nov 12, 2019, at 02:59 , JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
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Owen,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">As I
already did that in other occasions for previous
proposals, here is it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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lang="EN-US">Diff among v1 and v2 of this
proposal:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li>
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this proposal (v2)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li>
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will do the same later with other updated
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that I’m already working in a v3, considering your
inputs, as per the previous discussion in the
list. Just holding it in case there are further
comments.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">El 12/11/19 4:00, "Owen
DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
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escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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don’t know about anyone else, but I would find it very
helpful if these announcements included a redline or
other diff format showing the difference between the
prior version of the proposal and the current one.<o:p
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15:04 , Moses Serugo <<a
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the authors of the policy proposal
named<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 153);" class="">"IPv4 Inter-RIR
Resource Transfers (Comprehensive
Scope)</span><span style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">" have
submitted an updated version (Draft
version 2 |<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 153);" class="">AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT02)
and now seek your comments and
feedback.</span><span style="color:
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