<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Generally, this looks like something I could live with.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would still add to 5.7.2.2 the following clarification:</div><div class="">Source entities may, not less than 12 months after being the source for a transfer, receive IPv4 number resources via transfer if they are otherwise qualified to receive said resources.<br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>For 5.7.3.4, I think that the second bullet should be clarified:</div><div>* In the case of inter-RIR, incoming will no longer be regarded as legacy, the resulting status of outgoing transfers will depend on the policies in the receiving RIR.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>For 5.7.4, I still feel that the underlying infrastructure should also be transferred in order to qualify for the reasons previously stated.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I do not feel that 5.7.5 is needed. First, by the time this policy can be implemented, it’s extraordinarily unlikely that we will not already be in Phase 2. Second, even if that is not the case, at this point, there is no reason to prohibit organizations that wish to obtain resources via the transfer market from doing so.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m still troubled by the language in 5.7.6. Who determines what data beyond the minimum data specified is “relevant” and who decides what is confidential or not? This language invites challenge and confusion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Suggest:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>5.7.6 Each time a transfer is completed, AfriNIC will publish all related information permitted by the source or recipient. At a minimum, the following will be published by AfriNIC for each transfer: Date of the transfer, transferred resources, source organization and RIR, destination organization and RIR. Any information outside of the minimum will be held private unless permitted to be released by at least one of the parties.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In 5.7.8.1, “by 6 consecutive months” should read “for 6 consecutive months”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>5.7.8.2 is awkwardly worded. Suggest:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Staff may request additional information from parties for any transfer deemed suspicious by staff. Afterwards, all available information shall be escalated to the board for a decision to approve the transfer or not.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Any previous comments I made on the unchanged text are not repeated here as I have not reviewed the unchanged text a second time. As such, this is notice that any previous objections or comments to unchanged text should be considered still active and/or renewed herein.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 12, 2019, at 02:59 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Owen,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">As I already did that in other occasions for previous proposals, here is it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Diff among v1 and v2 of this proposal:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ol><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a href="https://www.diffchecker.com/2LOOCZgm" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.diffchecker.com/2LOOCZgm</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><ol start="2" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Diff among actual policy text and this proposal (v2)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ol><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a href="https://www.diffchecker.com/471nF1uX" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.diffchecker.com/471nF1uX</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I will do the same later with other updated proposals.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Note that I’m already working in a v3, considering your inputs, as per the previous discussion in the list. Just holding it in case there are further comments.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 12/11/19 4:00, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I don’t know about anyone else, but I would find it very helpful if these announcements included a redline or other diff format showing the difference between the prior version of the proposal and the current one.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Nov 11, 2019, at 15:04 , Moses Serugo <<a href="mailto:moses.serugo@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">moses.serugo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">Hello PDWG Members,</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">This is to notify you that the authors of the policy proposal named<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">"IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">" have submitted an updated version (Draft version 2 |<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; 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text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-ipv4-002-d2#proposal</a></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">Please take some time to go through the proposal contents and provide your feedback.</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; 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