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<p>Hello Anthony</p>
<p>The point specifically about the Co-chairs be or not form the
same country is a good practice to avoid monopolization from a
single country.<br>
You are right that 'in theory' the only thing that should matter
are the candidate requirements, but in practice it may lead to
scenarios where there is a major participation of people from a
specific country and they may vote for someone just because he/she
is from the same country without knowing anything about the
person.<br>
While I don't consider this a very critical thing as for example
the 6 month period to be able to vote, I think it avoids that
possibility I mentioned which is what is more likely to happen.</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
</p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">Hello Jordie and
Souad,</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">I’ve just gone
through your proposal. Having
once contested for a chair as co-chair I quite recognize a
need to revisit the election
process. However, I don’t agree with the crust of this
proposal.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">The stated problem
being addressed (below)
is accurate, nevertheless personally I find that several
areas are debatable, t’s
as evident in the views on the mail trails so far.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">“The Policy
Development Working Group (PDWG)
discusses very briefly how the chairs are chosen.
However, there is not
sufficient detail about the candidate requirements,
neither a complete process.”</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">Most
observations I have made have already been brought
previously highlighted and
brought forward by other members of the community, and I
see that you(Jordi) have
painstakingly tried to address a few of them, but I will
still want to reiterate
a few of mine.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">From
section 3.3.1 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
Both
chairs can’t be from the same country,</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">except
in exceptional situations where there are</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">no
other acceptable candidates, in which case one</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">of
the
chairs will cease in their position at the</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">following
election process (following year), either</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">because
their term has come to an end or by</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">agreement
among the two chairs, failing which</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">the
chair who has held the position the longest</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">will
automatically cease in their position</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
I am an advocate for freedom and transparency,
thus I strongly disagree with any form of restrictions due
to the country of
origin or resident of the co-chairs. Nomination and
election should be a matter
of substance. Like Daniel said <b><i>“Else we may be
trading competency for
representative”</i></b>. The focus should be on the
candidates’ competence and motivation.
</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">From
Section 3.3.2 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">3.3.2
About the election of the Chairs</span></b></p>
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8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
Voting will be conducted electronically, using</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">mechanisms
to ensure, as much as possible, that</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">each
voter can cast only one vote.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0in
0in 0.0001pt
0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">1.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Through
what electronic means? </span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in
0in 0.0001pt
0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">2.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Solely
remote voting? When can the community meet and
interact with the candidates, or do we rely solely on
credentials and public
opinions? If so, then what is the need for waiting till
the next PPM? Run an
election, conclude and announce results on online.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in
0in 0.0001pt
0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">3.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">How
can voters be identified for transparency in eligibility
and vote counting?</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in
0in 0.0001pt
0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">4.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">What
mechanism is put in place to detect multiple accounts
run by one person? Because we might be an advent of a
scenario of account squatting
for voting purposes. Where one person will register
multiple dummy accounts in
anticipation of election time.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0in
0in 8pt
0.5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">5.<span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
New Roman"">
</span></span><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">How
can off-net collusion be detected?</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
Anyone who has been part of the RPD List for at</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">least
6
months prior to the start of the election</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">process
may participate.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
Fair</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
Any
use of the list for electoral purposes, even</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">when
by
persons clearly supportive of a</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">candidate,
may result in their disqualification, if</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">there
is evidence of collusion.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
This is controversial. A member can
disenfranchise a candidate by running a pseudo campaign in
his favour, just to
have that candidate or both disqualified in favour of
another. Simply put, one
less voter for one less Candidate. Very unbalanced.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">• AFRINIC will
communicate the names
of</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">Acceptable
candidates to the RPD List,</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">announcing where
candidate information
will be </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%">published.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The
term acceptable candidate reflects in
bullet point 3 of 3.3.1 and bullet point 7 of 3.3.2. Are
there separate criteria
stipulated for candidates to measure who fall within the
“acceptable” threshold,
or is it the same as voter eligibility as stated in bullet
point 3 of 3.3.2? If
not, what other criteria do you recommend for eligibility?
</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
A
period of 10 calendar days will then begin</span></b></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">during
which the community will be able to</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">contribute
relevant information on the candidates.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">This
information, if confirmed, may be published</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">simultaneously
for all candidates on the first</span></b></p>
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8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">working
day following the end of the 10-day</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">period.
As a result of that information, the Board</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">could
disqualify any candidate.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
Quite Ambiguous. Kindly rephrase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
Voting will begin on the first working Monday</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">after
the period specified above and will remain</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">open
for 7 calendar days</span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
When can the community meet and interact
with the candidates? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">•
If
any objections are raised by a member of the</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">community,
such objections must be</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">communicated
to the Board within 7 calendar</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">days
of
the announcement of the results. The</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Board
will then assess whether such objections</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">are
significant and have been proven. If no</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">objections
are raised, or if those aren’t</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">considered,
will proceed to ratify the winning</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">candidate.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ant:
As I said before, I am an advocate of a transparent
system. I think narrowing a lot of things down to the
Board is a way for
locking the larger community away from critical decisions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Drifting
off a bit to the second trail on the
subject matter. The existing election process might not be
perfect, but the
influence of the local community should not be frowned at.
The community is encouraged
to grow, and there is no better opportunity to do that
than by driving active
participation of the host community as was witnessed in
Kampala, where a lot of
IT students participated actively throughout. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Curbing
the local influence of the host country/”newcomer voter’
in the election process will achieve infinitesimal gain.
Since the Bi-annual
PPM is shifted across regions it solves itself
organically.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">In
conclusion, I think the intention of
initiating this proposal is very noble, but I would
suggest a comprehensive
review. It is not ready.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Kind
regards,</span></p>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy (Fernando
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2. Re: new policy proposal: AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01:
"Chairs<br>
Elections Process" (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)<br>
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 19:01:58 -0300<br>
From: Fernando Frediani <<a
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In practice this situation you describe is very hard to
happen, we <br>
cannot have things in place to treat the very unlikely
situation and <br>
that Phase 2 is about to happen soon. Until there the vast
majority or <br>
organization (really the vast!) can get addresses from
AfriNic fine.<br>
I hardly doubt one can justify anything more than a /13 at
once at the <br>
moment. Even in a remote hypothesis that is possible the
organization <br>
can receive the /13 and work with that until transfers are
allowed as <br>
per Jordi's proposal that has been changed to start with
Phase 2 is <br>
triggered and that organization will be able to transfer
whatever else <br>
is needed.<br>
One rule for all and much simpler.<br>
<br>
Fernando<br>
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On 10/11/2019 18:51, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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><br>
>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 10:51 , Chevalier du Borg <<a
href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le?dim. 10 nov. 2019 ??21:58, Jaco Kroon <<a
href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaco@uls.co.za</a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jaco@uls.co.za</a>>>
a ?crit?:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Chevalier.<br>
>><br>
>> Please allow me to be blunt.? That's short
sighted.<br>
>><br>
>> We cannot transfer IN from other regions unless
we allow OUT.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Agree 100%,<br>
>> Then you have no problems with wait till all RIRs
are equal run out <br>
>> before we etablish full in and out transfer policy
no?<br>
>><br>
>> All the other RIRs require reciprocal
*compatible* policies,<br>
>> which means bi-directional transfers.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> All RIRs don't all have equal amount of free space.
Big difference<br>
><br>
> Depending on your definition here, 4 out of 5 have
exactly equal <br>
> amount == 0.<br>
><br>
>> Not allowing this means we can't get resources
in either.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> While AfriNIC have free space, operators don't need
it<br>
>> When it run out, then we can allow transfer policy<br>
><br>
> This isn?t entirely true.<br>
><br>
> It?s possible that an operator needs more than they can
get via <br>
> current AfriNIC policies due to ?soft landing?
limitations.<br>
><br>
> In such a case, said operator might prefer to transfer
a large amount <br>
> of space in even if they are paying for it on the
market<br>
> rather than suffer with the small amount of space they
can get from <br>
> AfriNIC due to the current restrictions.<br>
><br>
> Is there a valid reason to preclude such a transfer
which, in reality, <br>
> prolongs the AfriNIC free pool to the benefit of other<br>
> organizations in Africa?<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
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From: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a
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Subject: Re: [rpd] new policy proposal:
AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01:<br>
"Chairs Elections Process"<br>
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Owen see reply in line below<br>
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On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 9:03 PM Owen DeLong <<a
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
><br>
> On Nov 10, 2019, at 02:15 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Andrew,<br>
><br>
><br>
> El 9/11/19 6:19, "Andrew Alston" <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
> escribi?:<br>
><br>
> Coupla comments on this one:<br>
><br>
> *In 3.3: **If both Working Group Chairs are unable to
attend the PPM, the<br>
> Board will on-the-spot designate a nonconflictive Chair
for the session,<br>
> that will be assisted by the staff*<br>
><br>
> I don?t believe the board should designate, it should
preferably be an on<br>
> the spot nomination and floor election by show of hands
or other mechanism<br>
> at the meeting. There has been and should remain
separation between the<br>
> board and the PDP process ? since it is the boards duty
to ratify the<br>
> process followed to declare consensus on any policy
passed, and hence,<br>
> should a designate declare consensus on any policy, you
create a conflict<br>
> of interest situation.<br>
><br>
> ? I?m trying to avoid wasting time in the meeting.
The idea is that<br>
> this is done up-front the meeting, not during the
policy session. I?m happy<br>
> to change that to the nomination committee if you think
that will resolve<br>
> the issue. As I mention in my previous email, I didn?t
want to use the<br>
> committees references because those are called by the
board, so it should<br>
> be the board, if those committees exist, the one that
delegate the<br>
> functions. An alternative is to explicitly have some
text in the policy<br>
> that indicates that the board is that ?top responsible,
but it must<br>
> delegate that functions thru a nomination committee?,
without entering in<br>
> this policy on the details of that committee. What do
you think ?.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I think that the situation where no co-chair attends
the meeting is rare<br>
> and exceptional enough that using some time at the
meeting to nominate and<br>
> elect a chair pro tem is a perfectly valid solution and
that any other<br>
> solution presented so far is problematic.<br>
><br>
> Also, assuming that we know before the meeting that the
co-chairs will be<br>
> unable to attend is a perilous assumption to build into
the process, IMHO.<br>
><br>
<br>
Caleb : A clear example of what happened in Kampala where we
had only a<br>
Co-chair supported by staff to chair a meeting. How will a
single co-chair<br>
measure rough concensus?<br>
<br>
What you can't predict is visa rejections or if there is a
travel ban on<br>
the country that one of the co-chair is from.<br>
Imagine a scenario where the two co-chairs are from the same
country as<br>
canvassed by some members on this list, what happens at that
PDP meeting<br>
when any or both of them suffers visa rejection or there is
a civil unrest<br>
in that country leading to travel ban?<br>
<br>
We should in most case see the call to even ensure that no
two Co-chair<br>
emanate from the same country to reduce the risk exposure of
the PDPWG and<br>
uneventful scenarios like that.<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> *In 3.3.1 Bullet point 6: PDWG Chairs will each serve
staggered two-year<br>
> terms. PDWG Chairs may only be re-elected for one
consecutive term but are<br>
> illegible to run again after a minimum one-year pause.
*<br>
><br>
> Should that not say they are eligible after a minimum
one-year pause? I<br>
> presume that?s a typo?<br>
><br>
> Yes, definitively, word autocorrection made a trouble
here!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Personally, I am opposed to term limits. We have
elections. Co-Chairs are<br>
> up for re-election no less than every two years. If
people want a new<br>
> co-chair, they can easily vote for that. Why deprive
voters of choice? Do<br>
> you not trust the electorate to make good choices?<br>
><br>
<br>
Caleb: I do see a valid point of of argument here and I'm
sure the<br>
co-authors have taking note of your point.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> *In 3.3.2 Bullet point 7: AFRINIC will communicate the
names of acceptable<br>
> candidates to the RPD List, announcing where candidate
information will be<br>
> published.*<br>
><br>
> This is ambiguous in my view point ? you state in
bullet point 3 of the<br>
> same section that anyone who has been part of the RPD
list for a minimum of<br>
> 6 months may participate, in section 3.3.1 you specify
a one year minimum<br>
> pause ? but beyond that ? what does acceptable mean?
This needs some kind<br>
> of definition ? and I?d be quite happy to say
explicitly that if those 2<br>
> criteria are met, they are eligible and then let the
community decide, but<br>
> if it does mean more than that, it needs less
ambiguity.<br>
><br>
> In 3.3.1, we have:<br>
> ?In addition to the candidate?s biographical
information, nominations must<br>
> include specific information that allows assessing
their contribution,<br>
> participation and experience in the PDWG. The
candidates must also provide<br>
> information about what they will like to achieve during
their term,<br>
> possible improvements to the PDWG, etc.?<br>
><br>
> Because AFRINIC (board -> nomination committee) will
check all the<br>
> information, they will verify that the candidate has
been there for 6<br>
> months, can be re-elected (if is the case), provide
their biographical<br>
> information and some statement about what they want to
achieve. Only if all<br>
> that has been provided, is an acceptable candidate.
However, keep reading ?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I am very hesitant to open the can of worms wherein the
board is allowed<br>
> to deem RPD co-chair candidates acceptable or not. Am I
the only one that<br>
> sees this as a serious avenue for abuse of the process
to stack the deck on<br>
> available candidates?<br>
><br>
> My statement here in no way accuses or reflects on the
current AfriNIC<br>
> board. It is a question of procedural abuse that I
would raise in any such<br>
> construct regardless of the trust or esteem I held for
the board in<br>
> question. These rules should be intended to last well
beyond the current<br>
> board and must, therefore, consider any possible board
makeup.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *In 3.3.2 Bullet Point 8: A period of 10 calendar days
will then begin<br>
> during which the community will be able to contribute
relevant information<br>
> on the candidates. This information, if confirmed, may
be published<br>
> simultaneously for all candidates on the first working
day following the<br>
> end of the 10-day period. As a result of that
information, the Board could<br>
> disqualify any candidate.*<br>
><br>
> This represents a big problem to me. It states as a
result of the<br>
> information the board may disqualify any candidate.
This is wide open and<br>
> allows the arbitrary disqualification of candidates.
If someone is to be<br>
> disqualified, it should be on the grounds of not
meeting a defined set of<br>
> acceptable criteria ? that are published and known and
codified in policy.<br>
> Anything else could result in similar conflict of
interest to that<br>
> mentioned in the first point in this email.<br>
><br>
> If the board->nomination committee, receives any
information that is<br>
> relevant and confirmed (so not a ?rumour?), it could be
publish and any<br>
> candidate be disqualified. Let me have an example. A
candidate has been<br>
> divorced 10 times. Is that relevant to the community?
Clearly not. However,<br>
> a candidate has been elected as the chair of an ISPs
association and then<br>
> has not followed his duties and this can be publicly
confirmed (example, a<br>
> press release from the association indicating that they
fired its chair).<br>
> Do you think the candidate is acceptable? The board can
decide if<br>
> publishing a link to the (already) public information,
so the community<br>
> knows when voting, or directly disqualify the
candidate.<br>
><br>
><br>
> This is a _REALLY_ bad idea, IMHO. The board should not
be preemptively<br>
> disqualifying candidates on judgment calls in lieu of
the judgment of the<br>
> community.<br>
><br>
<br>
Caleb:The last i checked, there are election and nomination
committees with<br>
just a board representative.<br>
<br>
The process I think allows for an open call for Expression
of Interest for<br>
anyone who wants to participate in that committee which is
independent of<br>
the board but has a board representation in that committee
that provides<br>
guidance and also give feedback to the board.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> *In 3.3.2 Bullet point 9: If any objections are raised
by a member of the<br>
> community, such objections must be communicated to the
Board within 7<br>
> calendar days of the announcement of the results. The
Board will then<br>
> assess whether such objections are significant and have
been proven. If no<br>
> objections are raised, or if those aren?t considered,
will proceed to<br>
> ratify the winning candidate.*<br>
><br>
> I would prefer this be done in a more open manner.
That is to say that if<br>
> an objection is raised, the objection and the
consideration thereof should<br>
> be made public. The community should be able to see
the objections and why<br>
> they were adjudicated in a particular manner.<br>
><br>
> The statement doesn?t say that the board ?can?t?
publish the information.<br>
> But I think those objections should only be publish if
the candidate is<br>
> disqualified because the objections have been proven.<br>
><br>
><br>
Caleb : I think the lexicon use of board as against the
Nomination &<br>
Elections Committee can serve as an alternative.<br>
<br>
><br>
> No? The objections and the adjudication of those
objections must be public<br>
> regardless of the outcome. To do otherwise creates a
significant potential<br>
> for abuse of process. The objections should not be
anonymous and any<br>
> anonymous objections should not be mentioned. Whoever
raises an objection<br>
> should be identified right along with said objection.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *In 3.3.2 final point: The Board is the highest
instance of appeal in<br>
> matters relating to the election process. The board may
delegate some or<br>
> all of the required functions into the Election and
Nomination Committees.*<br>
><br>
><br>
> Caleb : A suggestion here for governance Committee will
be appropriate.<br>
<br>
> I would prefer this be handled by an appeal committee
appointed outside of<br>
> the electoral process, and whose members are ineligible
for participation<br>
> in the main election. Again, I do not believe that the
board should be<br>
> involved in the functioning of the PDP since it is they
that have to ratify<br>
> policy that comes through the process. Hence, as per a
few of my other<br>
> points ? I would prefer clear segregation. While I
acknowledge and fully<br>
> agree that a board member, in his personal capacity,
has every right to<br>
> participate in discussions around a policy ? since
board members are<br>
> naturally members of the community, I do not believe
that they should hold<br>
> a position to influence anything in the election of a
candidate.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I agree here.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I?ve not read recently how the nomination committee is
elected, and I<br>
> think unless somebody raised problems on that, we
should trust that is<br>
> working. Otherwise, that requires a different policy or
procedure, or the<br>
> board addressing it. You don?t think so?<br>
><br>
><br>
> The nomination committee is not what is being discussed
in 3.3.2, so I am<br>
> not sure how this comment applies to the discussion
above.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I?m with you that participants on the committees aren?t
valid candidates,<br>
> but is not that part already of those procedures, or
should we mention it<br>
> here?<br>
><br>
><br>
> You are proposing a new procedures document that will
supersede the<br>
> existing one. As such, it should be mentioned here.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Similarly, I?m with you about the segregation of
functions, but I already<br>
> responded to this in a previous email, so not repeating
it here. I also<br>
> think that it is ?easier? for the community if the
board members do not<br>
> participate in the discussions, **however** they have
the full right to<br>
> do so, as community members (as well as chairs), and
the only requisite (as<br>
> we do in IETF and all the other RIRs) is that if they
express a personal<br>
> opinion, they clearly say ?hat off this is my personal
view on this?, and<br>
> this personal opinion is not used in a decision for
ratifying or not a<br>
> policy (ratification should be based on ?has the
process been followed? Has<br>
> this policy a crazy impact on the membership and
endangers this<br>
> organization??).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Agreed, but the above 3.3.2 language puts the board as
the final and<br>
> ultimate arbiter of the appeals process and that is not
a good idea.<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
Caleb Ogundele<br>
<br>
><br>
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