<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 10, 2019, at 10:46 , Chevalier du Borg <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com" class="">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 10 nov. 2019 à 21:46, Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" class="">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">In the whole of these mix, can't we have the transfer of the resource to be temporal.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""> For example I have a pool of ipv4 resources that I am not utilising at the moment, I should be able to lease it out for a period say 24months or more. And if I have a need for the resource later, I should be able to retrieve it back without going to the RIR for another allocation.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Because the resources were give to you base on NEED. If you no longer need it, return it to AfriNIC and when you need it, go back for me.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I think you mean go back for more… This is an amusing idea.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In reality, someone who knows they will need in the future will never give up existing IPv4 because they know that:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>They won’t be able to get more from the RIR in the future.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The transfer market will only get more expensive, especially in AfriNIC so long as inter-RIR transfers are not allowed.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Someone who doesn’t know whether they will need the addresses in the future has no motivation to return them in such</div><div>an environment. If there’s no upside to returning them, and clearly potential downside (when you need it go back for more</div><div>equates to “too bad, so sad, we already gave what you returned to someone else and there’s nothing left.), then the</div><div>obvious choice is to merely hang on to the resources whether you need them or not.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Like it or not, transfers stimulate and allow for the movement of addresses from those who have excess to those who are in need.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Do I wish we could avoid this whole monetization issue? Of course I do, but absent the ability to monetize, the reality is that those</div><div>holding excess resources simply have no reason whatsoever to give them up.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>