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<p>Hi Chevalier.</p>
<p>Please allow me to be blunt. That's short sighted.</p>
<p>We cannot transfer IN from other regions unless we allow OUT.</p>
<p>All the other RIRs require reciprocal *compatible* policies,
which means bi-directional transfers.</p>
<p>Not allowing this means we can't get resources in either.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/11/10 18:50, Chevalier du Borg
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<div>I opposed this and any out of continent transfer policy at
this time. I can revise my choice when ALL RIRs have finish
their free pool. Otherwise, this policy can as well be call</div>
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<div>"The AfriNIC Broker Support Policy"</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 6 nov. 2019 à 23:42,
Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
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<div>On Nov 6, 2019, at 07:00 , Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>This proposal states in 5.7.3.2 that "the
source entities are eligible to receive further
IPv4 allocations or assigments from AFRINIC".
What is the logic on that ?<br>
If a organization is transferring its resources
it means it doesn't need them anymore and
therefore it doesn't make sense they can receive
any further space from AFRINIC.</p>
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Transferring out should not result in a permanent ban on
acquiring more resources, but there should definitely be
some hold-down time to prevent address cycling and
speculation.</div>
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<div>Why not? </div>
<div>Unless they can prove they retrieve the last block of
address they 'transfer' (aka SELL), why should they get more
from the community pool?</div>
<div>And again. I oppose this "The AfriNIC Broker Support
Policy"</div>
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<div>Suggest that sources of resources for transfer be
prohibited from acquiring additional resources for at
least 24 months.</div>
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<p>It also proposes in 5.7.4.1 that "the transfer
does not require approval from AFRINIC". Of
course there must be a mutual agreement on both
sides for a transfer to happen but the RIR must
check everything and 'approve' that everything
is correct and can happen. Furthermore the
justification for coming 10 years it way to long
and I've never seen it in any other place which
for me doesn't make sense otherwise would
clearly allow stockpiling which is one of the
key things to be avoided in IP assignment since
the very beginning.</p>
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Agreed… Recipients of transfers should be subject to the
same reviews as recipients of space from the free pool,
IMHO. Further, local sources of resources for transfer
should be validated by the RIR as the legitimate and
uncontested registrant.</div>
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<div>For inter-RIR transfers, I would suggest the
following:</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Source
Entity should be verified by Source RIR according to
that RIR’s policies and practices.</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Recipient
Entity should be verified by Destination RIR according
to that RIR’s policies and practices.</div>
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<div>This is the general approach taken in the existing
inter-RIR transfer policies and will yield greatest
compatibility with existing inter-RIR policies.</div>
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<p>The proposal also removes something fundamental
to fix a historical mistake, with the removal o
5.7.4.3 which converts legacy transferred
resources to non-legacy.</p>
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<div>Agreed…</div>
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There should, in my opinion, be no such thing as legacy
resources, only legacy registrations. An existing
registration which existed before the RIR and has not
been brought into contract with an existing RIR is a
legacy registration. Any transfer or other transaction
which involves a change in ownership of that
registration should require that the recipient enter a
contract with the RIR and that the new registration be
non-legacy.</div>
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<div>If the authors can adopt these recommendations, I
could support the proposal. Without them, I must oppose
the proposal as written.</div>
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<div>Owen</div>
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