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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Chevalier,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I will suggest that you read them the other policy proposal, which I think is matching what you’re asking:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-ipv4-002-d2#proposal"><span lang=EN-US>https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-ipv4-002-d2#proposal</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 10/11/19 19:55, "Chevalier du Borg" <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le dim. 10 nov. 2019 à 21:58, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Chevalier.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please allow me to be blunt. That's short sighted.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We cannot transfer IN from other regions unless we allow OUT.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Agree 100%, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Then you have no problems with wait till all RIRs are equal run out before we etablish full in and out transfer policy no?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>All the other RIRs require reciprocal *compatible* policies, which means bi-directional transfers.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>All RIRs don't all have equal amount of free space. Big difference<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Not allowing this means we can't get resources in either.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>While AfriNIC have free space, operators don't need it<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>When it run out, then we can allow transfer policy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Until that time, I oppose these "AfriNIC Broker Support Policy"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Kind Regards,<br><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#8DC641'>Jaco Kroon</span> <br><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>C.E.O.</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=64 style='width:48.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p><b>T:</b> +27 (0)12 021 0000 | <b>F:</b> +27 86 648 8561 | <b>E:</b> <a href="mailto:jaco@iewc.co.za" target="_blank">jaco@iewc.co.za</a><br><b>W:</b> <a href="https://www.iewc.co.za/" target="_blank">iewc.co.za</a> | <b>A:</b> Unit 201, Building 2B, Sunwood Park, Queen's Crescent Lynnwood, Pretoria<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='background:#8DC641;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr style='height:3.75pt'><td colspan=2 style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:3.75pt'></td></tr><tr><td width=10 style='width:7.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Interexcel/" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=23 height=22 style='width:.2395in;height:.2291in' id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt=Facebook></span></span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/Interexcel/" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=23 height=22 style='width:.2395in;height:.2291in' id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt=Twitter></span></span></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/+InterexcelCoZaPTA/posts" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=23 height=22 style='width:.2395in;height:.2291in' id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt="Google+"></span></span></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/interexcel-world-connection/" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=23 height=22 style='width:.2395in;height:.2291in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt=LinkedIn></span></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p><a href="https://www.iewc.co.za/" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=200 height=40 style='width:2.0833in;height:.4166in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt=IEWC></span></span></a><a href="http://www.uls.co.za/" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><span style='color:blue'><img border=0 width=136 height=53 style='width:1.4166in;height:.552in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D59808.7A9F2CB0" alt="ULS Group"></span></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 2019/11/10 18:50, Chevalier du Borg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I opposed this and any out of continent transfer policy at this time. I can revise my choice when ALL RIRs have finish their free pool. Otherwise, this policy can as well be call<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>"The AfriNIC Broker Support Policy"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le mer. 6 nov. 2019 à 23:42, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Nov 6, 2019, at 07:00 , Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This proposal states in 5.7.3.2 that "the source entities are eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or assigments from AFRINIC". What is the logic on that ?<br>If a organization is transferring its resources it means it doesn't need them anymore and therefore it doesn't make sense they can receive any further space from AFRINIC.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Transferring out should not result in a permanent ban on acquiring more resources, but there should definitely be some hold-down time to prevent address cycling and speculation.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Why not? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Unless they can prove they retrieve the last block of address they 'transfer' (aka SELL), why should they get more from the community pool?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>And again. I oppose this "The AfriNIC Broker Support Policy"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Suggest that sources of resources for transfer be prohibited from acquiring additional resources for at least 24 months.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>It also proposes in 5.7.4.1 that "the transfer does not require approval from AFRINIC". Of course there must be a mutual agreement on both sides for a transfer to happen but the RIR must check everything and 'approve' that everything is correct and can happen. Furthermore the justification for coming 10 years it way to long and I've never seen it in any other place which for me doesn't make sense otherwise would clearly allow stockpiling which is one of the key things to be avoided in IP assignment since the very beginning.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Agreed… Recipients of transfers should be subject to the same reviews as recipients of space from the free pool, IMHO. Further, local sources of resources for transfer should be validated by the RIR as the legitimate and uncontested registrant.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>For inter-RIR transfers, I would suggest the following:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Source Entity should be verified by Source RIR according to that RIR’s policies and practices.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Recipient Entity should be verified by Destination RIR according to that RIR’s policies and practices.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This is the general approach taken in the existing inter-RIR transfer policies and will yield greatest compatibility with existing inter-RIR policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The proposal also removes something fundamental to fix a historical mistake, with the removal o 5.7.4.3 which converts legacy transferred resources to non-legacy.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Agreed…<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There should, in my opinion, be no such thing as legacy resources, only legacy registrations. An existing registration which existed before the RIR and has not been brought into contract with an existing RIR is a legacy registration. Any transfer or other transaction which involves a change in ownership of that registration should require that the recipient enter a contract with the RIR and that the new registration be non-legacy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If the authors can adopt these recommendations, I could support the proposal. 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