<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 9, 2019, at 19:17 , Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Seems you are taking in consideration to some particular history
of AfricNic to deny a concept.<br class="">
It is quiet obvious if you let things loose you will put away the
people who really make the things happen because they may be
easily overruled by people who not necessarily are in touch with
things. It's not because it worked one-off it can be a rule.</p></div></div></blockquote>But it’s worked consistently since the beginning of AfriNIC and there’s no such requirement in any RIR to the best of my knowledge.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>You say it is quite obvious, but if it is so obvious, then where is the persistent harm across many years of AfriNIC elections?</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">Seems you make up a utopic scenario where everybody that exists
have the means to decide and this may blow the whole process up as
there are precedents for that, just because it *may happen* very
occasionally someone that is new and is able to fully understand.</p></div></div></blockquote>The whole point of a multi-stakeholder bottom up process is inclusion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>This goes against inclusiveness and everything the process stands for.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">If I start to participate in other forums, even if I have a good
knowledge of the topics and things I would humbly accept to wait
my time to be able to decide alongside with the others who have
helped to build things more than me.</p></div></div></blockquote>Well, that’s your choice, and that’s the point… It’s _YOUR_ choice. You shouldn’t be disenfranchised because someone else thinks you haven’t been around long enough.</div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">Letting everybody that shows up to do that is to put away those
who really do things and a high risk to mess up the process</p></div></div></blockquote><div>I think it’s time for us to agree to disagree on this matter. If you want to claim harm to the process, then show me an example, because the process has been working this way in multiple regions for many years.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">.</p><p class="">Fernando<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2019 00:05, Owen DeLong wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">Owen, I don't think anyone is talking about
the newcomers to participate in any PDP meeting and
everybody welcomes it. The point, as you well described
in part of the email is to be able to vote to on
co-chair elections.<br class="">
</p><p class="">It is very reasonable that only people that
are committed and already involved into the process for
a minimal time and know how things work should be able
to decide. With that nobody is excluding new people to
come and participate and in a next election, if they
remain and contribute to the community to be able to
choose as well.</p>
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I’m not entirely convinced of this. We have a cochair from the
last election who was one such newcomer. Frankly, so far, he
seems to be doing an excellent job in my opinion.</div>
<div class="">
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<div class="">
<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="">6 months is not a big thing for someone that
is willing to commit to something and solves a huge
problem which is the very well known of bringing non
involved people just to count as a 'ad-hoc' vote and
manipulate the process to something which certainly will
not represent the will of the majority of those who
really build the things. To be able to decide in group
someone must be a stakeholder of the process and those
who come one-off are not.<br class="">
</p>
</div>
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<div class="">But I’m also not convinced that 6 months actually gains us
anything. Some of the worst decisions in AfriNIC history have
come from co-chairs that were well steeped in AfriNIC policy
development.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Unless and until you can show me that there has been some
detrimental effect from newcomers being allowed to vote, I’m
hesitant to accept the idea of disenfranchising them.</div>
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<div class="">
<div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="">Otherwise keeping the things as they are is a
perfectly way to make the people who really are
committed and work to build good policy to go away
because the risk of the process to be manipulated will
always be high.</p>
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</blockquote>
I’m not convinced disenfranchising newcomers solves that
problem.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I do not take the idea of disenfranchising community members
lightly at all. If it is necessary, there needs to be strong
evidence of a problem and even stronger evidence that
disenfranchisement somehow solves the problem.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">So far, we have neither, while we do have at least one valid
counter-example.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I would accept a less intrusive requirement such as requiring
that they be subscribed to the RPD list for at least 3 months
prior to the meeting and have made at least one post to RPD.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I would argue that lots of people who have been involved for
quite some time don’t truly understand how things work, so your
belief that attending a second meeting is a miracle cure for
such ignorance doesn’t hold much water with me.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Anyone who uses IP number resources _IS_ a stakeholder in the
process, whether they fully understand that fact or not. I think
you will be hard pressed to find anyone who participated in the
last co-chair election who does not fit that description.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I have not yet had time to review the full proposal in
detail, but I will have many more comments on additional flaws
when I do.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I am in opposition to the proposal as written while I do
support the idea of producing better and more complete PDWG
Co-Chair election procedures and documentation.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Owen</div>
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</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/11/2019 16:32, Owen
DeLong wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">On Nov 9, 2019, at 01:07 , Ahile
shagba francis <<a href="mailto:ahilefranc@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ahilefranc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">The last elections in
Kampala witnessed many weird practices. It was
glaring that the process lacks so much to term
it credible.
<div dir="auto" class=""> Some are forced to
agree with the accusations of the person who
sent some harsh words regards the manner in
which students and locals where bought solely
for the purpose of elections by some big wings
who play the modern day slavery role.</div>
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</div>
I take issue with this characterization.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Bringing students and local IT
professionals to the AfriNIC meeting is, IMHO, a
laudable and useful way to expand our community</div>
<div class="">and improve participation. I don’t know of
anyone who was brought solely for the purpose of
elections. All of the fellowships I am</div>
<div class="">aware of provided for attendance at the
full meeting.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The only elections which can be influenced
by such attendees who are not representing bona fide
AfriNIC members are the PDP</div>
<div class="">co-chair and the NRO NC/ASO AC
representatives. (The NRO NC also stands as the ASO
AC).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Here we are discussing the election of
co-chairs, so the role of fellows in that election is
a valid topic of discussion.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I find it interesting that the call here
is about the election in Kampala while nobody mentions
what happened in Dakar.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In Dakar, there were literally busloads of
local people, many of whom had no relationship to IT.</div>
<div class="">They showed up for lunch and the Co-Chair
election and then departed never to be seen or heard
from in the community again.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In Kampala, there were a large number of
local IT students and members of the IT profession who
showed up for multiple days</div>
<div class="">of the meeting in part because they were
sponsored through fellowships.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">I can certainly understand criticism of
what happened in Dakar, but I must ask about the
criticism of Kampala…</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Is there some reason these members of the
IT community should be marginalized simply because it
is their first meeting?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Are they in some way less qualified than
other members attending their first meeting?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">At least in the case of the fellows which
I met and of which I am aware, they each received
briefing materials about AfriNIC and</div>
<div class="">the policy proposals under discussion.
Said briefing materials have been previously reviewed
on this list and were as neutral</div>
<div class="">and factual as they could be, modulo some
minor mistakes which were admitted and which did not
significantly prejudice any</div>
<div class="">policy (a couple of minor misquotes IIRC).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">One of those fellows is now a PDP
co-chair.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Do we feel that the current co-chairs are
doing a bad job? Do we feel that they have
misrepresented the community in some way?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Newcomwers ought to
have some knowledge about what AFRINIC in
its entirety entails. So you can make
decisions bore from conscience and sincere
progress. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
How does a newcomer gain that knowledge without
attending a meeting and observing the process first
hand?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Are you arguing that the co-chairs elected
in Kampala are unqualified or a poor choice for the
community? Are you arguing that the election had a bad
outcome?</div>
<div class="">If so, please offer some evidence to
support this position.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Many who are pushing
for certain policies have failed to sit back
and search themselves if they really are for
the good of the RIR of they are just out
chasing clout. </div>
</div>
</div>
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<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
Blanket accusations of malfeasance such as this are
hollow and useless. If you have examples of such
malfeasance, you don’t have to name names, but at
least</div>
<div class="">provide specific citations. Provide actual
content or quotations or references to points on the
video record of the meeting where such malfeasance is
demonstrated.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">If such an accusation is to be leveled,
then it should be leveled such that the accused have
some ability to proffer a defense. In a case where it
is impossible to know</div>
<div class="">not only who, but what, exactly, is being
accused, there is no ability to offer any defense and
the accusation can be neither proven nor disproven. It
is hollow and</div>
<div class="">should be regarded as entirely fictitious
in nature.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">
<div dir="auto" class="">Whatever we try to
fix here should be from a sincere motive of
taking the RIR to greater heights. </div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
In this, at least, we can certainly agree. Let us
focus on actual problems to be solved and not on vague
and hollow accusations which cannot be meaningfully</div>
<div class="">addressed.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Owen</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Shalom</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Ahile Shagba Francis.
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Developer | Branding |Graphics <br class="">
Frankie-Code Solutions.</div>
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From: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br class="">
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Subject: Re: [rpd] new policy proposal:
AFPUB-2019-GEN-003-DRAFT01:<br class="">
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A quick question is "are Co-Chair tied to
Country?" I thought part of this<br class="">
community is some form of universality,
meaning as long as the person(s)<br class="">
understand and are doing the job well, country
specific should not matter.<br class="">
Else we may be trading competency for
representative.<br class="">
<br class="">
Therefore, I will disagree with inserting that
co-chairs cannot come from<br class="">
the same country. Rather can we have other
implicit ways that could<br class="">
possibly ensure that co-chairs from the same
country are not chairing at<br class="">
the same time.<br class="">
<br class="">
Simply,<br class="">
Daniel<br class="">
<br class="">
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 7:35 PM JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class="">
wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
> Hi Fernando,<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> I see your point, which has been also
expressed by Pascal, and after<br class="">
> thinking again I believe I could agree
with an alternative solution and<br class="">
> simplification of that specific
paragraph.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Note that I?m responding by myself, so my
co-author should agree if both<br class="">
> of you accept this alternative, as well
as the rest of the community, so<br class="">
> take it as tentative wording:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> ?Both chairs can?t be from the same
country, except in exceptional<br class="">
> situations where there are no other
acceptable candidates.?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Instead of the actual:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> ?Both chairs can?t be from the same
country, except in exceptional<br class="">
> situations where there are no other
acceptable candidates, in which case<br class="">
> one of the chairs will cease in their
position at the following election<br class="">
> process (following year), either because
their term has come to an end or<br class="">
> by agreement among the two chairs,
failing which the chair who has held the<br class="">
> position the longest will automatically
cease in their position.?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> So, will you agree on this? others?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Regards,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Jordi<br class="">
><br class="">
> @jordipalet<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
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> El 8/11/19 16:49, "Fernando Frediani"
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escribi?:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hello<br class="">
><br class="">
> I have to agree that I am also not
comfortable the way text is 3.3.1 with<br class="">
> regards chair of the same country. While
I agree they should not come form<br class="">
> the same country as much as possible I
recognized there are exceptions<br class="">
> where they have to be and no one should
be forced out if they became a<br class="">
> chair already.<br class="">
><br class="">
> There are two situations where I believe
2 chairs from the same country<br class="">
> may co-exist:<br class="">
> 1) When there are no other acceptable
candidates from other countries (eg:<br class="">
> 1 single candidate form the same country
as the current chair or all<br class="">
> candidates from the same country of the
chair)<br class="">
> 2) When there is a vacant position that
AfricNic Board has to fulfill<br class="">
> temporarily.<br class="">
><br class="">
> With regards the traveling expenses
mentioned I don't think they should be<br class="">
> in the PDP. While I believe the RIR
should always cover that given the<br class="">
> importance of the role to the RIR
community it is discretionary and up to<br class="">
> them to decide that. Furthermore I don't
think having this in the PDP can<br class="">
> oblige the RIR to do anyway as it's a
administrative decision.<br class="">
><br class="">
> I agree with section 3.3.2 in regards the
minimum time to be able to<br class="">
> participate in the election process. It
brings a lot of value into the<br class="">
> process and avoid big issues of
non-related people influencing the process.<br class="">
> This part for me is one of the most
important of the proposal.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Fernando<br class="">
><br class="">
> On 08/11/2019 04:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi Pascal,<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks for your inputs, let me answer
below, in-line.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Regards,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Jordi<br class="">
><br class="">
> @jordipalet<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> El 8/11/19 4:32, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>>
escribi?:<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Hello this is a great proposal but I have
some concerns about some of the<br class="">
> newly adopted procedures.<br class="">
> In section 3.3.1 I don't think it will be
right for a chair who has held<br class="">
> the position longest to vacate the
position in a scenario where the<br class="">
> cochairs originate from the same country
in extreme scenarios. While we aim<br class="">
> to select algorithms to minimize the
possibility of a vacant seat at any<br class="">
> point in time we should also try not to
break the wheel of experience here.<br class="">
> A longer serving cochair will be more
conversant with the affairs of the<br class="">
> PDWG in most cases so I think vacating
his or her seat won't be ideal.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> ? While I could agree here in your view,
I think that there must be a<br class="">
> balance in giving opportunity to new
people. The text already gives the<br class="">
> opportunity to the chairs to take a
decision on that. Note also, that if<br class="">
> the chair that has been longer time in
the position hasn?t exceeded the two<br class="">
> consecutive terms, he still can submit
his candidacy for that election, so<br class="">
> it is giving the voice to the community
about that. On the other hand, we<br class="">
> may have a longer time in the position
chair that is not performing well<br class="">
> (even if it has more experience) so the
community has a way to not vote him<br class="">
> again. It is a difficult balance. I will
like to hear from you and others<br class="">
> specific suggestions about this point.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Secondly while we aim to sanitize the
motives for people contesting for<br class="">
> cochair I don't think a little stipend
for co-chairs will do any damage to<br class="">
> the election process for me I think a per
sitting allowance or stipend<br class="">
> should be adopted if not already so.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> ? AFRINIC (I believe) support the chairs
in their traveling expenses to<br class="">
> the meeting and from time to time to
other RIR meetings. Is not that<br class="">
> sufficient? Otherwise, what you will
suggest? Should we have that (even for<br class="">
> traveling expenses) in the PDP?<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> section 3.3.2 will disenfranchise voters.
It's possible a deprived voter<br class="">
> might not be active in the rpd but has
been abreast with the happenings of<br class="">
> the community. Therefore are we going to
say we cannot allow that voter to<br class="">
> cast his or her vote?. A deprived voter
might be attending a PPM for the<br class="">
> first time and will feel disenfranchised
because I believe the presentation<br class="">
> of the candidates is also an incentive to
motivate or give voters an idea<br class="">
> of their portfolio which I think is
enough to orientate a newbie attendee<br class="">
> if I may use that phrase .<br class="">
><br class="">
> Without elaborating or handling some of
this concerns I think this<br class="">
> proposal cannot be accepted as it is.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> ? Note that I?m asking only for having
been in the RPD list for 6 months.<br class="">
> I?m not asking for demonstrating
?activity?. I my opinion this will fulfil<br class="">
> the case you?re indicating in your first
case.<br class="">
><br class="">
> ? Regarding a newcomer participating as
voter, I?ve seen in many RIR<br class="">
> meetings, including AFRINIC, a bunch
(even hundreds) of local students,<br class="">
> participating for the first time as
guest. 99% of those participants will<br class="">
> never participate again in AFRINIC, RPD,
etc. Hundreds of them can vote for<br class="">
> a specific candidate, without knowing at
all nothing about the candidate or<br class="">
> the PDP, for example, just because the
candidate is local. Of course, in<br class="">
> some cases that candidate can be a very
valid one, however nothing ensures<br class="">
> it and further this is a distortion of
the process and very discriminatory<br class="">
> towards the other candidates. For
example, the other candidates can say<br class="">
> ?I?ve organized a remote hub so the
people can participate in a remote<br class="">
> meeting room? (and get there hundreds of
people that possibly will support<br class="">
> that candidacy). I think those newcomers
can perfectly understand, if they<br class="">
> are interested in a continued AFRINIC
participation, shy those rules are<br class="">
> done and this specific point will not,
for that, feel uncomfortable or<br class="">
> decide not to continue participating
because that, in the other way around<br class="">
> ?next time I will be voting?. Is like
when you need to have 18 years to<br class="">
> vote. Reason for that is that you have
some degree of ?adult thinking, life<br class="">
> experience, public policy understanding,
etc.?; here we are saying your<br class="">
> experience to be able to participate is
having been there for a few months.<br class="">
><br class="">
> ? Note that a participant in the meeting
if really interested in AFRINIC,<br class="">
> has been able to be in the RPD list much
more time ahead the meeting, so<br class="">
> nothing forbids him to actually
participate.<br class="">
><br class="">
> ? Last but not least, the way that
electronic voting is organized is<br class="">
> based on using the RPD list as the
electoral census. NOBODY will vote<br class="">
> ?on-site?, the election is done BEFORE
the meeting.<br class="">
><br class="">
> ? As said, happy to heard inputs on those
specific points (and in general<br class="">
> in all the proposal, of course!):<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, Fernando
Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
> wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Hello.<br class="">
><br class="">
> The text of the proposal is well written
and I believe brings value to the<br class="">
> election process with control mechanisms
to ensure neutrality and balance<br class="">
> of the chosen persons.<br class="">
> One important point I highlight is that
staff when implementing this make<br class="">
> sure a trustable electronic system is
used to ensure one vote by<br class="">
> participant and to avoid fraud. I guess
something about that will be<br class="">
> contained in the impact analysis that
will come.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Fernando<br class="">
><br class="">
> On 05/11/2019 11:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Hi all,<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> As with the previous ones, I'm attaching
our proposal PDF, already submitted, so the
community can start commenting in case the
publication by AFRINIC is delayed.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks in advance for any inputs!<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Regards,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Jordi<br class="">
><br class="">
> @jordipalet<br class="">
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><br class="">
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