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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Fernando,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I see your point, which has been also expressed by Pascal, and after thinking again I believe I could agree with an alternative solution and simplification of that specific paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Note that I’m responding by myself, so my co-author should agree if both of you accept this alternative, as well as the rest of the community, so take it as tentative wording:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“Both chairs can’t be from the same country, except in exceptional situations where there are no other acceptable candidates.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Instead of the actual:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>“Both chairs can’t be from the same country, except in exceptional situations where there are no other acceptable candidates, in which case one of the chairs will cease in their position at the following election process (following year), either because their term has come to an end or by agreement among the two chairs, failing which the chair who has held the position the longest will automatically cease in their position.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, will you agree on this? others?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 8/11/19 16:49, "Fernando Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hello<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I have to agree that I am also not comfortable the way text is 3.3.1 with regards chair of the same country. While I agree they should not come form the same country as much as possible I recognized there are exceptions where they have to be and no one should be forced out if they became a chair already.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>There are two situations where I believe 2 chairs from the same country may co-exist:<br>1) When there are no other acceptable candidates from other countries (eg: 1 single candidate form the same country as the current chair or all candidates from the same country of the chair)<br>2) When there is a vacant position that AfricNic Board has to fulfill temporarily.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>With regards the traveling expenses mentioned I don't think they should be in the PDP. While I believe the RIR should always cover that given the importance of the role to the RIR community it is discretionary and up to them to decide that. Furthermore I don't think having this in the PDP can oblige the RIR to do anyway as it's a administrative decision.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I agree with section 3.3.2 in regards the minimum time to be able to participate in the election process. It brings a lot of value into the process and avoid big issues of non-related people influencing the process. This part for me is one of the most important of the proposal.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 08/11/2019 04:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Pascal,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for your inputs, let me answer below, in-line.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 8/11/19 4:32, "Paschal Ochang" <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Hello this is a great proposal but I have some concerns about some of the newly adopted procedures.<br>In section 3.3.1 I don't think it will be right for a chair who has held the position longest to vacate the position in a scenario where the cochairs originate from the same country in extreme scenarios. While we aim to select algorithms to minimize the possibility of a vacant seat at any point in time we should also try not to break the wheel of experience here. A longer serving cochair will be more conversant with the affairs of the PDWG in most cases so I think vacating his or her seat won't be ideal. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>While I could agree here in your view, I think that there must be a balance in giving opportunity to new people. The text already gives the opportunity to the chairs to take a decision on that. Note also, that if the chair that has been longer time in the position hasn’t exceeded the two consecutive terms, he still can submit his candidacy for that election, so it is giving the voice to the community about that. On the other hand, we may have a longer time in the position chair that is not performing well (even if it has more experience) so the community has a way to not vote him again. It is a difficult balance. I will like to hear from you and others specific suggestions about this point.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Secondly while we aim to sanitize the motives for people contesting for cochair I don't think a little stipend for co-chairs will do any damage to the election process for me I think a per sitting allowance or stipend should be adopted if not already so.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>AFRINIC (I believe) support the chairs in their traveling expenses to the meeting and from time to time to other RIR meetings. Is not that sufficient? Otherwise, what you will suggest? Should we have that (even for traveling expenses) in the PDP?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>section 3.3.2 will disenfranchise voters. It's possible a deprived voter might not be active in the rpd but has been abreast with the happenings of the community. Therefore are we going to say we cannot allow that voter to cast his or her vote?. A deprived voter might be attending a PPM for the first time and will feel disenfranchised because I believe the presentation of the candidates is also an incentive to motivate or give voters an idea of their portfolio which I think is enough to orientate a newbie attendee if I may use that phrase . <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Without elaborating or handling some of this concerns I think this proposal cannot be accepted as it is.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Note that I’m asking only for having been in the RPD list for 6 months. I’m not asking for demonstrating “activity”. I my opinion this will fulfil the case you’re indicating in your first case.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding a newcomer participating as voter, I’ve seen in many RIR meetings, including AFRINIC, a bunch (even hundreds) of local students, participating for the first time as guest. 99% of those participants will never participate again in AFRINIC, RPD, etc. Hundreds of them can vote for a specific candidate, without knowing at all nothing about the candidate or the PDP, for example, just because the candidate is local. Of course, in some cases that candidate can be a very valid one, however nothing ensures it and further this is a distortion of the process and very discriminatory towards the other candidates. For example, the other candidates can say “I’ve organized a remote hub so the people can participate in a remote meeting room” (and get there hundreds of people that possibly will support that candidacy). I think those newcomers can perfectly understand, if they are interested in a continued AFRINIC participation, shy those rules are done and this specific point will not, for that, feel uncomfortable or decide not to continue participating because that, in the other way around “next time I will be voting”. Is like when you need to have 18 years to vote. Reason for that is that you have some degree of “adult thinking, life experience, public policy understanding, etc.”; here we are saying your experience to be able to participate is having been there for a few months.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Note that a participant in the meeting if really interested in AFRINIC, has been able to be in the RPD list much more time ahead the meeting, so nothing forbids him to actually participate.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Last but not least, the way that electronic voting is organized is based on using the RPD list as the electoral census. NOBODY will vote “on-site”, the election is done BEFORE the meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:53.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>è<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>As said, happy to heard inputs on those specific points (and in general in all the proposal, of course!):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, Fernando Frediani <</span><a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US>fhfrediani@gmail.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Hello.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The text of the proposal is well written and I believe brings value to the election process with control mechanisms to ensure neutrality and balance of the chosen persons.<br>One important point I highlight is that staff when implementing this make sure a trustable electronic system is used to ensure one vote by participant and to avoid fraud. I guess something about that will be contained in the impact analysis that will come.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Fernando<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>On 05/11/2019 11:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>As with the previous ones, I'm attaching our proposal PDF, already submitted, so the community can start commenting in case the publication by AFRINIC is delayed.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Thanks in advance for any inputs!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>**********************************************<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>IPv4 is over<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The IPv6 Company<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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