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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sylvain,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 6/11/19 14:50, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please see my comments below (inline)...<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le 11/5/2019 à 8:31 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sylvain,<span style='color:black'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>[...]<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Please, let me know any questions/inputs.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Replace this «[...]<i>section removed and following text renumbered</i>[...]» by this one «[...]<i>Remove </i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><i>the section and renumber the following text</i>[...]»<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>The rational of the above line is to propose a clear operational action to be executed by the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>CPM/DPP's editor.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>As you see, i have used the same syntax ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>My hope is that, it becomes an habit for the DPP's authors.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I understand your point, but this is editorial issues, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks for your response !<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...that is why i mentioned the CPM's editor alongside with the DPP's editor. Normally, this <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>part is not concerning me as a reviewer. So, if DPP's editors start to use the *Imperative Mode* <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>when it's necessary to give clear instructions to the CPM's editor for renumbering purpose for <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>example ; i think that using 'Imperative Mode' could add more clarification in the communication <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>between editors (CPM's and DPP). However, i apologize for have misused to term 'syntax' to <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>speak about the 'Imperative Mode'.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think the PDP already allows the staff to suggest different wording for any part of the policy manual (or policy proposals), if the wording is not changing the intent. However, the reality is that this not often happening (not just in AFRINIC), but also in other regions. Very few times, when I submit a policy proposal, I got a very specific comments about wording (thanks for that Ernest!).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>that we can change at any time. Remember that this text doesn’t go into the policy manual, so is not “that much important”. If we discuss every word in a policy proposal, then we can never reach consensus!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>:'-( Jordi, by this comment you are presumably confirming that the *Imperative Mode* (not really <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>a particular *syntax*) i'm proposing (that all the DPP's (Draft Policy Proposal) editor start to use) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>works well ;-) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Maybe we are missing and overall “review” of each policy proposal before going into the manual (and again this doesn’t require a PDP change and could be done in the complete manual). For example:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>A policy proposal reach consensus (after the last call).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>The staff review the text (again), to “align” the wording with the one in the rest of the CPM in case something was not discovered before, and if there is any change, double check that the community, via the RPD “Dear Community, after having reached consensus, we believe that sentence xxx reads better as yyy and keeps the intent of the original text. In order to align with the ‘style’ of the manual, unless we heard otherwise, this is what we are passing to the board for ratification”.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...something more important for all those (few) who care to this policy thing, is the ease it can be <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>for new comers to quickly understand what is happening in PDWG. And it's definitely not about <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>simple words or syntax (misused term) but it's about the *semantic* (not misused term). Why ? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>simply because me as new active member (and i guess : any member you include) of this policy <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>community, when you say «[...]section removed and following text renumbered[...]» it means that : <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>*you* (DPP's editor) have *already* removed the section (not sure to be true, because you are not <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>the CPM' editor) and *you* have already renumbered (this is totally false because you are not the <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>CPM editor). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>And you’re totally right, I should have used “this section must be removed” … I’m not native English speaker, and this is why I think the staff could take a more active role on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Of course, I don’t mind changing it, if, there is a need for other reasons to do a new version. Will you agree on that?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...please see above, to get the best answer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>During the meeting, we can also, being an editorial comment, change it, and ask consensus with that text. I just need to remind that when doing the slides … I hope I can remember it!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>...i also have a naive question : please, is an IXP considered as a LIR (CPM section 2.3) ? :-/<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>No, in fact the main reason we changed in the last round the IPv6 PI (end users), is because the previous policy was broken: it was mandating IXPs to announce the space, which they don’t do, so the risk was that they aren’t following the policy and thus can get the space reclaimed per the RSA.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>This answer helps me to fix something in my knowledge of IP distribution, and i am grateful ! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...to the others, before i didn't understand the real difference between PI and PA (perhaps not exactly that, but i failed to see that as IXPs are not *Provider* (in this context) or *LIR*, they are not eligible to this policy and DPP, but to an other one (CPM section 6.8) ; due to theirs status of non LIR, then 'Provider Independent'.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Remember : i'm still open to learn, then if someone want to take me, even, as intern in his IXP, i'll <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>certainly learn more about IXPs ;-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Shalom,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--sb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>[...] <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Best Regards ! <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>baya.sylvain [AT cmNOG DOT cm] | <a href="https://www.cmnog.cm"><https://www.cmnog.cm></a> | <a href="https://survey.cmnog.cm"><https://survey.cmnog.cm></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Subscribe to Mailing List : <a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/"><https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>__<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>#LASAINTEBIBLE|<span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'></span>#Romains15:33"<i>Que LE </i><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'></span>#DIEU</i><i> de </i><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'></span>#Paix</i><i> soit avec vous tous! </i><i><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'></span>#Amen</i><i>!</i>"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-family:"MS Mincho"'></span>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>«<i>Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!</i>»(#Psaumes42:2)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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