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<p>The merged entity is free to use the resources if it's within the
region. For M&A Inter-RIR happen much less often and is
something that impacts only that entity. Why pass over that
situation and costs to all others ?</p>
<p>If someone is under a M&A scenario between regions
renumbering is just part of this type of business and should be
accounted as part of that business. Although it has some costs it
is perfectly possible and doable with some planning. I have done
plenty in different situations and I have survived. Nobody is
stopping the entity to use the resources, as long they remain
within the region. <br>
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<p>I think allowing IPv6 transfers is less of the interest of the
community and more of the interest of just a few and the
implication is to pass over this costs to all.</p>
<p>Furthermore I will quote some words said by another person in
another discussion in another RIR which I fully agree: "I do not
think it to be a good idea. Right now, without a policy change I
can look at that list and know that 100% of each Block of IPv6
addresses is managed by the RIR listed. That allows for clean
filter lists in IPv6 for those that choose to filter out abuse
routes from other RIR's. Allowing transfers will eliminate that
clean fixed line that currently exists. Also, return and
renumbering has always been part of the policy since the beginning
of IPv6 and should be enforced."</p>
<p>Best regards<br>
Fernando Frediani<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/10/2019 17:25, Sylvain Baya
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<div>Hi all,
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<div>...please see below (inline).<br>
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Le lundi 21 octobre 2019, Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> a
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<p>Hello Sylvain.</p>
<p>I consider that the main motivation to allow
transfers for IPv4 is the scarcity. In normal </p>
<p>conditions, including a M&A the company would
have to receive resources in the new </p>
<p>RIR and do renumbering. </p>
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<div>Dear Fernando,</div>
<div>I understand your arguments, but we must not force an
entity, resulting from a Merger|Acquisition, </div>
<div>to act the way you described. It seems to me like going
a bit out of the scope of the PD-WG. The</div>
<div>Merger|Acquisition entity should be free to use at
least the Internet resources they have legally </div>
<div>inherited. Or am i missing something ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...or it's not really the goal: treat the
Merger|Acquisition case into this single Draft Policy </div>
<div>Proposal (DPP) ?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Any author to clarify ? :-/</div>
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<div>An other thing : after reading the Staff comment as IAr
(Impact Analysis report) for this DPP and </div>
<div>considering an explanation given by Ernest, i
understand that there is problem to solve within </div>
<div>the Merger|Acquisition particular case before
considering them as potential beneficiary of this </div>
<div>DPP.</div>
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<p> Some people say that renumbering has costs, but that
is part of the business and should </p>
<p>be accounted as part of the whole transaction. </p>
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<div>...IMHO, the Merger|Acquisition entity should be free
to use your good advice Fernando ;-)</div>
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<p>Allowing IPv6 transfers has the potential to mess up
with the way it was distributed and is </p>
<p>allocated among all RIRs </p>
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<div>...including RIPE NCC, yes and in that particular RIR,
IPv6 transfers are allowed ; including for </div>
<div>Inter-RIR Transfers. And not only for the good of
Merger|Acquisition entities (In|Out of region).</div>
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<p>(remember there are no Legacy IPv6) and also would
have costs </p>
<p>for RIRs to adapt they systems in order to allow
that, a cost that would be of all members </p>
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</div>
<div>Thanks for this interesting information, hopefully we
could have a new IAr or a at least a Staff </div>
<div>response about this affirmation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...so, Ernest, can you consider contacting RIPE NCC
Staff to provide us with a kick response ?</div>
<div>Thanks for your understanding.</div>
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<p>in order to accomplish the need of just a few. </p>
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<div>Fernando, if we want a business stability into this
region, preferably we should understand </div>
<div>Merger|Acquisition advantages more than something which
could only harm the greatest part of </div>
<div>resource members of this RIR. To be clearer, i see
Merger|Acquisition scenarios inside AFRINIC </div>
<div>region. That is why, i'm insisting for the authors to
include IPv6 in their $resource pool|definition.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, the *few* you have mentioned below are not known
right now :'-(</div>
<div>...then, any AFRINIC given resource member could become
part of a Merger|Acquisition scenario</div>
<div>at any time...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...let me go further, in my analysis i also see, in
fact, a potential legal risk in regard to the RSA </div>
<div>which seems to clearly grant Merger|Acquisitions
entities with a kind of *business continuity right* </div>
<div>or guarantee. If i have read it correctly, though :-/ </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shalom,</div>
<div>--sb.</div>
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<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div>On 21/10/2019 14:24, Sylvain Baya wrote:<br>
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