<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I support the comprehensive proposal.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will never support an asymmetrical proposal as I do not believe an asymmetrical proposal is a fair policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do not know how Jordi’s “legacy out, everything in” proposal would be treated in the ARIN region, but IMHO, it is not a reciprocal compatible policy in general.</div><div class="">Were it strictly my decision, I would consider the policy to be non-reciprocal and prohibit transfers from ARIN to AfriNIC under the policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 19, 2019, at 02:49 , Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" class="">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Hi Jordi,</p><p class="">I fully support your transfer proposals..</p><p class="">I agree that there are some fundamentalists out there but please
don't let that stop you. Please keep the two proposals alive (the
one for legacy transfers only - which if passed - will prove you
are correct; and the other that covers non-legacy address space).
<br class="">
</p><p class="">If we don't have such transfer proposals - then growth will
stagnate in our region. I don't want to see that. I want to see
continued growth!<br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/08/19 11:14, Mike Silber wrote:<br class="">
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Hi Jordi
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<div class="">While I support the proposal, I think it may be time
to give up.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">This has turned into a debate of “principles" and no
facts or logic will be allowed to get in its way.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Once we descend to this level - progress is
impossible and the fundamentalists have won.</div>
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<div class="">Regards</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Mike<br class="">
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<div class="">On 19 Aug 2019, at 08:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="ES-TRAD">Fernando,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Just
look at numbers. Those are not hypothesis, but
facts. The numbers show that the resources are going
from the regions that have “more IPv4” and have
deployed “more IPv6” to the other regions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">There
is no possible explanation why this will become
different if Afrinic adopts and inter-RIR policy.
Do you think ARIN suddently will stop deploying
IPv6 and look for IPv4 addresses form Africa? No
sense!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">El 17/8/19 18:44, "Fernando
Frediani" <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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</div><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Hi<br class="">
This is not about a "hypothesis" but rather a quiet
obvious and logic thing to face. If Africa is the only
region that still has space left for its members and
the rest of the world is seeking for more IP space at
lower cost it makes total sense for someone to think
in trying to get IP space form this region and send
them out to where is interesting to them if such
proposal ever reach consensus. Luckily I don't think
it will be the case given the number of oppositions
raised and good points put against it.<br class="">
I think maybe you misunderstood some of what has been
said and discussed about this topic but I will try to
answer some of the points raised.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 17/08/2019 09:52, Andrew Alston wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Hi Fernando, Let me ask you
a few questions<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">You say AfriNIC still has space – yet
because of the soft landing – the size of
allocations for which a member can apply are
extremely smaller – especially once phase 2 kicks
in – so – for those that need more than this –
where do you propose they get it in the absence of
this policy and the absence of blocks for sale on
the continent?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This
is not true. In the current phase an African member
who needs IP space can just request, justify and will
get the addresses needed. Just when it enters phase 2
it will still be possible to get a smaller block and
at that point ISPs should have done their homework to
prioritize the addresses they already hold to
transition mechanisms rather than the way they were
used to use in the past. That is probably the reason
this is called soft landing. Nobody can be get by
surprise.<br class="">
The most important is that as it stands now African
members can get IP space normally, they don't need to
go to the market to get extra space and it is a reason
that reinforces that this proposal brings zero benefit
to the region.<br class="">
And the fact local members can still get the space
they request, this proposal should not pass, otherwise
it will be a even higher risk of fraud from external
organizations at the current Phase of IPv4 Exhaustion.<br class="">
(Source:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-0#s5_4" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-0#s5_4</a>)<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">How does the interest in companies coming
from outside to get space have anything to do with
the companies on the continent needing to get
space from outside? Please explain the
correlation</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
believe it is pretty much explained above, but lets go
a bit more into it. Companies from other regions may
find cheaper to open a "fake" or "virtual" company in
Africa region to get addresses from here and
afterwards request a transfer to another RIR where the
address will really be used by them. The cost to buy a
/24 or a /22 in the market makes the economics pretty
worth for fraudsters to do all necessary and
bureaucratic work to open up and fake company in
Africa in the attempt to get these addresses.<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">Please explain how having a transfer
policy creates a more fraudulent environment than
people who take space off the continent without
updating the whois records and outside of the
auspicious of the RIR – and how you would ever
prove that is actually happening or not.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">You state that those who transfer outside
of the system should be sanctioned – under what
laws – please cite legal system and case law?
Last I checked there was no legal right to
determine who can use an integer on the internet</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
think maybe you misunderstand either what I said or
how the RIR system works. When any organization
becomes a RIR member and receives a block, it is
obliged to use it according to the current rules,
policies and behave according to the bylaws and the
contract they signed and agreed. There are cases where
violations on the policy or how the organization
handle the IP space can get these resources revoked
from the organization. This works like that on any
RIR, not just in AfriNIC.<br class="">
Therefore if the current policies don't allow
transfers "under the table" (quiet obvious) and if
such wrong attitude and violation of the policy proved
the resource holder doesn't have usage for that IP
space it can be revoked by the RIR. Simple as that !<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">With regards to “If people run out of
ipv4 and cant get more they can use ipv6” – please
explain how:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span class="">o<span style="font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="">To do L2VPN circuits in the absence of v4
and the absence of law end hardware to do EVPN
(and lack of support for EVPN-VPWS)</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span class="">o<span style="font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="">To do traffic engineering when LDPv6 is
dead to the point where it’s unusable</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span class="">o<span style="font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span class="">To do L3VPN – which currently in every
vendor I’ve tested requires a V4 underlay</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am
not sure what you are trying to say with that.<br class="">
When an organization cannot get **any more address**
(therefore only after phase 2 is finished- a while
from now) it means it still has address to use or
re-used for different and more efficient proposed as
transition mechanisms and until that happens the
dependency on IPv4 will be lower than it is now a
days. Still on such scenarios there are still
alternatives as for example the mentioned in the
previous message to create a new policy to assign that
last /12 revered under section 5.4.7.1 for new
entrants and for IPv6 transition mechanisms as it
exists in other RIRs.<br class="">
At that point maybe will be a better time to discuss a
Inter-RIR transfer policy again with much less risk
that addresses will be looted from the region.<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Courier New";" class=""><span class="">o<span style="font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal;
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span class="">The story about space being taken out of
Africa – Please explain why the world would come
pillaging Africa – when Africa has such a tiny
pool to start with – is it not far easier to go
and buy elsewhere in the world where unused blocks
are common and available</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Explained above
about the economics that make it worth for fraudster
to come to the region, establish a company to get
addresses and then request the transfer out of the
region. This is not just a point of view, but pretty
much an easy mathematics question.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Said that, I am
unable to see **any benefit** such proposal bring to
African region at the current scenario. Instead it
only bring risks (in the current Phase 1 even higher
risks) and maybe the only beneficiaries to this policy
will be the IP transfer companies and as far as I know
it's not the mission of any RIR to create policies to
benefit such entities.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Fernando<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">So – once we get the answers
to all of this – then – we can potentially test
your hypothesis as stated below – but until then –
I can’t see your logic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Fernando
Frediani<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday,
16 August 2019 at 22:45<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">"rpd@afrinic.net"</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[rpd] New Policy Proposal Received - "IPv4
Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers
(Comprehensive Scope) AFPUB-2019-v4-002-DRAFT01"</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello<br class="">
<br class="">
I want to position myself against this proposal for
the many reasons below.<br class="">
<br class="">
First I believe this does not bring any benefits to
Africa region<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
allowing IP space to go out of the region and the
same way Africa is not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
in need yet to receive IP space from other regions
as AfriNIC still has<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
availability for assignment to its members.<br class="">
<br class="">
Allowing inter-RIR transfers opens a wide door for
fraud by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
organizations from other continents establishing a
"virtual" or "fake"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
offices in Africa, request some IP space and send
them out of the region<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
afterwards.<br class="">
As AfriNIC is the only RIR who still has IP space
available for its<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
members they should be protected and made sure they
are assigned only<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
for real usage in the continent.<br class="">
It is pretty reasonable to think that the major
interest will be in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
companies outside Africa to come to the region, get
IP space and send it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
out than the contrary as AfriNIC members can get IP
space directly from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
the RIR. Why would members need it coming from other
regions then ?<br class="">
Also the 12 months period to request receive more IP
space from AfriNIC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
is quiet short in my view and make it worth in order
to increase fraud<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
for those who wish to send these addresses out of
the region.<br class="">
<br class="">
Even if it's expected AfriNIC's IP space to run out
anytime soon I still<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
don't believe it is a reason to allow inter-RIR
transfers. In LACNIC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
region for example it exhausted IPv4 space for
existing members in 2017<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
and only very recently after 2 years the inter-RIR
transfer has reached<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
consensus there, so I think this type of proposal
should be re-evaluated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
later on in the future when the scenario changes and
when there are real<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
benefits for Africa region.<br class="">
<br class="">
The fact that transfers happen "under the table" I
don't consider this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
as a strong argument in favor of this change.
Transfers under the table<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
are wrong and against the current policies therefore
those who may be<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
doing it are the wrong ones, not the RIR for not
allowing such<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
transfers. Any organization who received IP space
from AfriNIC must bind<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
to the current policies and that includes not to do
transfers that are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
not allowed. If they insist on that, sanctions must
be applied against<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
them, therefore there are mechanisms to properly fix
this issue, if it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
exists.<br class="">
<br class="">
The deployment of IPv6 is not impacted for AfricNIC
members for the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
current scenario as IPv4 is still available to be
requested by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
organizations for usage by transition mechanisms for
example. Even when<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
that is not possible anymore there are still
alternatives as for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
example: 1) re-use of already hold IP space, 2)
establishment of a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
dedicated pool for specific usage with IPv6
transition mechanisms or 3)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
prioritization of new entrants, the last two for
example based on the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
/12 reserved for future use as stated by section<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://5.4.7.1/" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">5.4.7.1</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
AfriNIC's Exhaustion Policy<br class="">
<br class="">
I also second a comment made by another person in
this discussion here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
"Allowing Inter-RIR transfers open room for
resources meant to be used<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
in our region being traded fast due to economic
reasons beyond the real<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
purpose they were meant for which is to help build
the African Internet".<br class="">
<br class="">
Therefore I don't think is good or necessary for
Africa region to allow<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
inter-RIR transfers and put the RIR under the risk
of its address space<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
to go out of the region unnecessarily and in an
unneeded scenario.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best regards<br class="">
Fernando<br class="">
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