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<p>Hello Owen<br>
Thanks for your comments.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/08/2019 16:03, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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Sanctioned how? By what power?</div>
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<div>RIRs have no legal authority.</div>
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Oh they do, by different ways.<br>
When any organization becomes a RIR member and receives a block, it
is obliged to use it according to the current rules, policies and
behave according to the bylaws and the contract they signed and
agreed which by the way are completely valid in courts and which
give this rights to RIRs to take resources back if any term is
violated. There are cases where violations on the policy or how the
organization handle the IP space can get these resources revoked
from the organization. This works like that on any RIR, not just in
AfriNIC.
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<div>Any group of networks that want to create their own registry
system and exchange packets on that basis are welcome to do so.</div>
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Yes they do, but are you probably know it is not a trivial thing ,
specially being recognized but ICANN/IANA and there are strict
principles to reach before that
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en</a>).
Even if that would ever happen any blocks recovered under the basis
mentioned above would never be given to this new registry, so the
practical effect of it seems something far from happening.<br>
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<div>Transfers occurring “under the table” are not really under
the table. They are better explained as “transfers occurring
outside the purview of those cooperating with the RIR system”.</div>
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And that violates the rules agreed by those who form the RIR and
support its existence. Either we have rules and policies that
everybody agrees to follow to be respected or we don't need any RIR
systems.<br>
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<div>There’s no law that requires anyone to cooperate with the RIR
system. It’s merely convenient and useful for ensuring
uniqueness.</div>
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There are laws that gives full support to contracts signed by
between organizations and guidelines that must be followed. We are
not talking about something specific or theoretic, but rather
something recognized and followed internationally. I don't think any
judge would give reason to an organization willing to act
unilaterally in this scenario we are discussing.<br>
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<div>The only power the RIRs have is the number of ISPs who choose
to cooperate with the RIR system. This creates an important
balancing act. If the RIRs act in a manner that is too harmful
to the ability of ISPs (and other address users) to achieve
their goals, then the RIR system will be replaced with something
else, or worse, the internet number management will be come
fragmented amongst competing registry systems and uniqueness
will become difficult (at best) to maintain. OTOH, if the IP
using community does not cooperate in creating useful policies
by which the RIR system operates and then following those
policies, it creates a similar set of problems, on the opposite
side of the equation.</div>
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Useful policies to who ? To just a few cases, to private for-profit
companies willing to take profit of these few cases or to majority
of the members ?<br>
There have been different views in this discussion, while some
believe it is good for the region which is fine, other see there are
risks and possible harm to the resources destined to the region and
to majority of organizations. Therefore it doesn't seem to be a
consensus at the moment and this is not something good at the
current system.<br>
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<div>The question isn’t whether the region will stop growing or
not… It will not. The question is whether or not the addresses
being used in the region will continue to be accurately managed
by the local regional registry or whether that registry will
become irrelevant and be bypassed in order to facilitate that
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Do we have in the history any case a scenario like this was raised ?
Even with real examples of other RIRs that didn't have a Inter-RIR
transfer policy ready when they went to Phase 2 like ? I don't think
so. Everything went on and they got a transfer policy at the correct
time for their reality. It just doesn't seem the correct time for
Africa really. The scenario of chaos if such policy doesn't reach
consensus is nonexistent.<br>
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propose you abandon this proposal for now and re-present it
in the future when the scenario changes and a policy like
this is really needed and will bring benefits to the region.</p>
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Multiple people have already stated that this policy is already
needed. Despite your continued assertions to the contrary,
doesn’t change the facts on the ground. At this point, I think
this policy is overdue.</div>
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<p>The same way multiple people stated opposition to this policy for
same and different reasons I raised. Before commenting on this
thread I have read every single message discussed previously and
they are there for who wishes to take their own conclusions.</p>
<p>Again I am not against having a Inter-RIR transfer policy at some
point in the near future, but at the present in brings more harm
than benefits to Africa.<br>
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<div>Owen</div>
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