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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I'm in full agreement with Mark on this.</p>
<p>I also agree with Jordi that we need safeguards in place to avoid
abuse of the policy.</p>
<p>Basically I believe that there was a rule about "if you transfer
out you're not eligible for further space" with a time limit.
Can't recall the details, but basically my stance is, once you've
transferred more out that you've transferred in (only taking out
of region transfers into account) you're no longer eligible for
receiving space from in-region (by allocation or transfer).</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/08/19 11:49, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Jordi,</p>
<p>I fully support your transfer proposals..</p>
<p>I agree that there are some fundamentalists out there but
please don't let that stop you. Please keep the two proposals
alive (the one for legacy transfers only - which if passed -
will prove you are correct; and the other that covers non-legacy
address space). <br>
</p>
<p>If we don't have such transfer proposals - then growth will
stagnate in our region. I don't want to see that. I want to see
continued growth!<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/08/19 11:14, Mike Silber
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:6F958A86-8AAF-48CC-A9DE-1E6FE3441F1D@gmail.com">
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Hi Jordi
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">While I support the proposal, I think it may be
time to give up.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">This has turned into a debate of “principles" and
no facts or logic will be allowed to get in its way.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Once we descend to this level - progress is
impossible and the fundamentalists have won.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Regards</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Mike<br class="">
<div><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On 19 Aug 2019, at 08:49, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="ES-TRAD">Fernando,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="ES-TRAD"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Just
look at numbers. Those are not hypothesis, but
facts. The numbers show that the resources are
going from the regions that have “more IPv4” and
have deployed “more IPv6” to the other regions.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">There
is no possible explanation why this will become
different if Afrinic adopts and inter-RIR
policy. Do you think ARIN suddently will stop
deploying IPv6 and look for IPv4 addresses form
Africa? No sense!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">El 17/8/19 18:44,
"Fernando Frediani" <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
</div>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Hi<br
class="">
This is not about a "hypothesis" but rather a quiet
obvious and logic thing to face. If Africa is the
only region that still has space left for its
members and the rest of the world is seeking for
more IP space at lower cost it makes total sense for
someone to think in trying to get IP space form this
region and send them out to where is interesting to
them if such proposal ever reach consensus. Luckily
I don't think it will be the case given the number
of oppositions raised and good points put against
it.<br class="">
I think maybe you misunderstood some of what has
been said and discussed about this topic but I will
try to answer some of the points raised.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<div class="">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class="">On 17/08/2019 09:52, Andrew
Alston wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Hi Fernando,
Let me ask you a few questions<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">You say AfriNIC still has space – yet
because of the soft landing – the size of
allocations for which a member can apply are
extremely smaller – especially once phase 2
kicks in – so – for those that need more than
this – where do you propose they get it in the
absence of this policy and the absence of blocks
for sale on the continent?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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class="">This is not true. In the current phase an
African member who needs IP space can just request,
justify and will get the addresses needed. Just when
it enters phase 2 it will still be possible to get a
smaller block and at that point ISPs should have
done their homework to prioritize the addresses they
already hold to transition mechanisms rather than
the way they were used to use in the past. That is
probably the reason this is called soft landing.
Nobody can be get by surprise.<br class="">
The most important is that as it stands now African
members can get IP space normally, they don't need
to go to the market to get extra space and it is a
reason that reinforces that this proposal brings
zero benefit to the region.<br class="">
And the fact local members can still get the space
they request, this proposal should not pass,
otherwise it will be a even higher risk of fraud
from external organizations at the current Phase of
IPv4 Exhaustion.<br class="">
(Source:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-0#s5_4"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-0#s5_4</a>)<br
class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">How does the interest in companies
coming from outside to get space have anything
to do with the companies on the continent
needing to get space from outside? Please
explain the correlation</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">I believe it is pretty much explained
above, but lets go a bit more into it. Companies
from other regions may find cheaper to open a "fake"
or "virtual" company in Africa region to get
addresses from here and afterwards request a
transfer to another RIR where the address will
really be used by them. The cost to buy a /24 or a
/22 in the market makes the economics pretty worth
for fraudsters to do all necessary and bureaucratic
work to open up and fake company in Africa in the
attempt to get these addresses.<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">Please explain how having a transfer
policy creates a more fraudulent environment
than people who take space off the continent
without updating the whois records and outside
of the auspicious of the RIR – and how you would
ever prove that is actually happening or not.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">You state that those who transfer
outside of the system should be sanctioned –
under what laws – please cite legal system and
case law? Last I checked there was no legal
right to determine who can use an integer on the
internet</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">I think maybe you misunderstand either what
I said or how the RIR system works. When any
organization becomes a RIR member and receives a
block, it is obliged to use it according to the
current rules, policies and behave according to the
bylaws and the contract they signed and agreed.
There are cases where violations on the policy or
how the organization handle the IP space can get
these resources revoked from the organization. This
works like that on any RIR, not just in AfriNIC.<br
class="">
Therefore if the current policies don't allow
transfers "under the table" (quiet obvious) and if
such wrong attitude and violation of the policy
proved the resource holder doesn't have usage for
that IP space it can be revoked by the RIR. Simple
as that !<br class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">With regards to “If people run out of
ipv4 and cant get more they can use ipv6” –
please explain how:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span
style="font-family: "Courier New";"
class=""><span class="">o<span
style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Times New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span
class="">To do L2VPN circuits in the absence of
v4 and the absence of law end hardware to do
EVPN (and lack of support for EVPN-VPWS)</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span
style="font-family: "Courier New";"
class=""><span class="">o<span
style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Times New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span
class="">To do traffic engineering when LDPv6 is
dead to the point where it’s unusable</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 107.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span
style="font-family: "Courier New";"
class=""><span class="">o<span
style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Times New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span
class="">To do L3VPN – which currently in every
vendor I’ve tested requires a V4 underlay</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">I am not sure what you are trying to say
with that.<br class="">
When an organization cannot get **any more address**
(therefore only after phase 2 is finished- a while
from now) it means it still has address to use or
re-used for different and more efficient proposed as
transition mechanisms and until that happens the
dependency on IPv4 will be lower than it is now a
days. Still on such scenarios there are still
alternatives as for example the mentioned in the
previous message to create a new policy to assign
that last /12 revered under section 5.4.7.1 for new
entrants and for IPv6 transition mechanisms as it
exists in other RIRs.<br class="">
At that point maybe will be a better time to discuss
a Inter-RIR transfer policy again with much less
risk that addresses will be looted from the region.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
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text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span
style="font-family: "Courier New";"
class=""><span class="">o<span
style="font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight:
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size:
7pt; line-height: normal; font-family:
"Times New Roman";" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 71.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span class="">-<span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch:
normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
font-family: "Times New Roman";"
class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="">The story about space being taken out
of Africa – Please explain why the world would
come pillaging Africa – when Africa has such a
tiny pool to start with – is it not far easier
to go and buy elsewhere in the world where
unused blocks are common and available</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
</blockquote>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Explained
above about the economics that make it worth for
fraudster to come to the region, establish a company
to get addresses and then request the transfer out
of the region. This is not just a point of view, but
pretty much an easy mathematics question.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Said that, I
am unable to see **any benefit** such proposal bring
to African region at the current scenario. Instead
it only bring risks (in the current Phase 1 even
higher risks) and maybe the only beneficiaries to
this policy will be the IP transfer companies and as
far as I know it's not the mission of any RIR to
create policies to benefit such entities.<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left: 35.4pt;" class="">Fernando<o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
5pt;" class="" type="cite">
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style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
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normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal;
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class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">So – once we
get the answers to all of this – then – we can
potentially test your hypothesis as stated below
– but until then – I can’t see your logic<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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<b class="">Date:<span
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16 August 2019 at 22:45<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span
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<b class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[rpd] New Policy Proposal Received - "IPv4
Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers
(Comprehensive Scope)
AFPUB-2019-v4-002-DRAFT01"</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt;
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sans-serif;" class="">Hello<br class="">
<br class="">
I want to position myself against this proposal
for the many reasons below.<br class="">
<br class="">
First I believe this does not bring any benefits
to Africa region<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
allowing IP space to go out of the region and the
same way Africa is not<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
in need yet to receive IP space from other regions
as AfriNIC still has<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
availability for assignment to its members.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Allowing inter-RIR transfers opens a wide door for
fraud by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
organizations from other continents establishing a
"virtual" or "fake"<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
offices in Africa, request some IP space and send
them out of the region<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
afterwards.<br class="">
As AfriNIC is the only RIR who still has IP space
available for its<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
members they should be protected and made sure
they are assigned only<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
for real usage in the continent.<br class="">
It is pretty reasonable to think that the major
interest will be in<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
companies outside Africa to come to the region,
get IP space and send it<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
out than the contrary as AfriNIC members can get
IP space directly from<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
the RIR. Why would members need it coming from
other regions then ?<br class="">
Also the 12 months period to request receive more
IP space from AfriNIC<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
is quiet short in my view and make it worth in
order to increase fraud<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
for those who wish to send these addresses out of
the region.<br class="">
<br class="">
Even if it's expected AfriNIC's IP space to run
out anytime soon I still<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
don't believe it is a reason to allow inter-RIR
transfers. In LACNIC<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
region for example it exhausted IPv4 space for
existing members in 2017<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
and only very recently after 2 years the inter-RIR
transfer has reached<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
consensus there, so I think this type of proposal
should be re-evaluated<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
later on in the future when the scenario changes
and when there are real<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
benefits for Africa region.<br class="">
<br class="">
The fact that transfers happen "under the table" I
don't consider this<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
as a strong argument in favor of this change.
Transfers under the table<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
are wrong and against the current policies
therefore those who may be<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
doing it are the wrong ones, not the RIR for not
allowing such<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
transfers. Any organization who received IP space
from AfriNIC must bind<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
to the current policies and that includes not to
do transfers that are<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
not allowed. If they insist on that, sanctions
must be applied against<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
them, therefore there are mechanisms to properly
fix this issue, if it<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
exists.<br class="">
<br class="">
The deployment of IPv6 is not impacted for
AfricNIC members for the<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
current scenario as IPv4 is still available to be
requested by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
organizations for usage by transition mechanisms
for example. Even when<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
that is not possible anymore there are still
alternatives as for<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
example: 1) re-use of already hold IP space, 2)
establishment of a<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
dedicated pool for specific usage with IPv6
transition mechanisms or 3)<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
prioritization of new entrants, the last two for
example based on the<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
/12 reserved for future use as stated by section<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="http://5.4.7.1/" style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">5.4.7.1</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
AfriNIC's Exhaustion Policy<br class="">
<br class="">
I also second a comment made by another person in
this discussion here:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
"Allowing Inter-RIR transfers open room for
resources meant to be used<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
in our region being traded fast due to economic
reasons beyond the real<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
purpose they were meant for which is to help build
the African Internet".<br class="">
<br class="">
Therefore I don't think is good or necessary for
Africa region to allow<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
inter-RIR transfers and put the RIR under the risk
of its address space<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
to go out of the region unnecessarily and in an
unneeded scenario.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best regards<br class="">
Fernando<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
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