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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Fernando, Let me ask you a few questions
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You say AfriNIC still has space – yet because of the soft landing – the size of allocations for which a member can apply are extremely smaller
– especially once phase 2 kicks in – so – for those that need more than this – where do you propose they get it in the absence of this policy and the absence of blocks for sale on the continent?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">How does the interest in companies coming from outside to get space have anything to do with the companies on the continent needing to get
space from outside? Please explain the correlation<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please explain how having a transfer policy creates a more fraudulent environment than people who take space off the continent without updating
the whois records and outside of the auspicious of the RIR – and how you would ever prove that is actually happening or not.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You state that those who transfer outside of the system should be sanctioned – under what laws – please cite legal system and case law? Last
I checked there was no legal right to determine who can use an integer on the internet<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">With regards to “If people run out of ipv4 and cant get more they can use ipv6” – please explain how:<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To do L2VPN circuits in the absence of v4 and the absence of law end hardware to do EVPN (and lack of support for EVPN-VPWS)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To do traffic engineering when LDPv6 is dead to the point where it’s unusable<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To do L3VPN – which currently in every vendor I’ve tested requires a V4 underlay<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The story about space being taken out of Africa – Please explain why the world would come pillaging Africa – when Africa has such a tiny pool
to start with – is it not far easier to go and buy elsewhere in the world where unused blocks are common and available<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So – once we get the answers to all of this – then – we can potentially test your hypothesis as stated below – but until then – I can’t see your logic
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 16 August 2019 at 22:45<br>
<b>To: </b>"rpd@afrinic.net" <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal Received - "IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) AFPUB-2019-v4-002-DRAFT01"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello<br>
<br>
I want to position myself against this proposal for the many reasons below.<br>
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First I believe this does not bring any benefits to Africa region <br>
allowing IP space to go out of the region and the same way Africa is not <br>
in need yet to receive IP space from other regions as AfriNIC still has <br>
availability for assignment to its members.<br>
<br>
Allowing inter-RIR transfers opens a wide door for fraud by <br>
organizations from other continents establishing a "virtual" or "fake" <br>
offices in Africa, request some IP space and send them out of the region <br>
afterwards.<br>
As AfriNIC is the only RIR who still has IP space available for its <br>
members they should be protected and made sure they are assigned only <br>
for real usage in the continent.<br>
It is pretty reasonable to think that the major interest will be in <br>
companies outside Africa to come to the region, get IP space and send it <br>
out than the contrary as AfriNIC members can get IP space directly from <br>
the RIR. Why would members need it coming from other regions then ?<br>
Also the 12 months period to request receive more IP space from AfriNIC <br>
is quiet short in my view and make it worth in order to increase fraud <br>
for those who wish to send these addresses out of the region.<br>
<br>
Even if it's expected AfriNIC's IP space to run out anytime soon I still <br>
don't believe it is a reason to allow inter-RIR transfers. In LACNIC <br>
region for example it exhausted IPv4 space for existing members in 2017 <br>
and only very recently after 2 years the inter-RIR transfer has reached <br>
consensus there, so I think this type of proposal should be re-evaluated <br>
later on in the future when the scenario changes and when there are real <br>
benefits for Africa region.<br>
<br>
The fact that transfers happen "under the table" I don't consider this <br>
as a strong argument in favor of this change. Transfers under the table <br>
are wrong and against the current policies therefore those who may be <br>
doing it are the wrong ones, not the RIR for not allowing such <br>
transfers. Any organization who received IP space from AfriNIC must bind <br>
to the current policies and that includes not to do transfers that are <br>
not allowed. If they insist on that, sanctions must be applied against <br>
them, therefore there are mechanisms to properly fix this issue, if it <br>
exists.<br>
<br>
The deployment of IPv6 is not impacted for AfricNIC members for the <br>
current scenario as IPv4 is still available to be requested by <br>
organizations for usage by transition mechanisms for example. Even when <br>
that is not possible anymore there are still alternatives as for <br>
example: 1) re-use of already hold IP space, 2) establishment of a <br>
dedicated pool for specific usage with IPv6 transition mechanisms or 3) <br>
prioritization of new entrants, the last two for example based on the <br>
/12 reserved for future use as stated by section <a href="http://5.4.7.1">
5.4.7.1</a> of the <br>
AfriNIC's Exhaustion Policy<br>
<br>
I also second a comment made by another person in this discussion here: <br>
"Allowing Inter-RIR transfers open room for resources meant to be used <br>
in our region being traded fast due to economic reasons beyond the real <br>
purpose they were meant for which is to help build the African Internet".<br>
<br>
Therefore I don't think is good or necessary for Africa region to allow <br>
inter-RIR transfers and put the RIR under the risk of its address space <br>
to go out of the region unnecessarily and in an unneeded scenario.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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