<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Sounad, </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">In my experience, only AfriNIC and LACNIC ever really had much serious concern over that issue in considering inter-RIR transfer policies. Clearly LACNIC has finally come to the conclusion that it is less of a concern than being isolated from being able to import addresses as they have passed a bidirectional transfer policy. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">AfriNIC is now the lone holdout from the rest of the world on this issue. AfriNIC has very little space (relatively speaking) to offer even if every AfriNIC resource holder were to sell their entire holdings out of region (very unlikely). </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Personally, I can’t see any motivation for the other regions to accept such an idea. Can you?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Owen</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jul 14, 2019, at 09:30, SOUAD ABIDI <<a href="mailto:fs_abidi@esi.dz">fs_abidi@esi.dz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Gregoire,</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">If you define the benefit is money or power, I already said it, Afrinic takes no money and makes no approval, so the answer is nothing, its role will be to supervise the contract and that everything works well. <br style="">For the region, members can lease the extra block they have and make money behind, so we will avoid the undertable transfer. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br style="">The question is as Jordi said, will we be able to convince other RIRs to adopt this policy to ensure the bidirectional transfer? I think each region is interested that its resources stay for its members and don't run out from the region from one hand , and benefit from other regions' resources from another hand , to balance between the two ,<i>IPv4 leasing</i> is an option to consider ! </font><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">Regards.</font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">Souad</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 13 juil. 2019 à 19:29, Gregoire Ehoumi <<a href="mailto:gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr">gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-size:10pt"><div dir="auto">Souad,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You did not reply to my question. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Again, how does this leasing benefit AfriNIC or our region?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto">--Gregoire</div></div></div><div style="font-size:10pt"><div id="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734LGEmailHeader" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto"><b>From: </b>SOUAD ABIDI<u></u><u></u></div><div dir="auto"><b>Date: </b>Sat, Jul 13, 2019 5:19 AM</div><div dir="auto"><b>To: </b>Gregoire Ehoumi;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Cc: </b>AfriNIC List;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Jordi,</div><div dir="auto">I guess ,when it will no IPv4 remain in other regions(which is soon the case) ,nobody will negociate the conditions of the pool's owner (Africa).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Gregoire,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If we notice that our resources run out from the region after the transfer , we can bring them back to Africa (afriNIC will not accept the renewal of the contract between the seller and the buyer).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">Souad </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 12 juil. 2019 ?? 20:37, Gregoire Ehoumi <<a href="mailto:gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">gregoire.ehoumi@yahoo.fr</a>> a ??crit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-size:10pt"><div dir="auto">Hi Souad,<br><br>How will this type of contract benefit AfriNIC and our region?<br><br>--Gregoire</div></div><div style="font-size:10pt"><div id="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912LGEmailHeader" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto"><b>From: </b>SOUAD ABIDI<u></u><u></u></div><div dir="auto"><b>Date: </b>Fri, Jul 12, 2019 6:50 AM</div><div dir="auto"><b>To: </b>AfriNIC List;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Cc: </b></div><div dir="auto"><b>Subject:</b>[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello, <div><br></div><div>As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in the policy - As some people argue.</div><div>Here what I suggest : </div><div><br></div><div><p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Symbol">??<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-GB">Establishing a leasing contract between the
seller and the buyer up to 5 years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be the 3<sup>rd</sup> part of the deal .<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Symbol">??<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-GB">AfriNIC takes no money and makes no approval. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Symbol">??<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-GB">The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
world.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Symbol">??<span style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman"">
</span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-GB">The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
(afriNIC-seller-buyer)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-GB">So buy adopting this approach and if we notice that our resources are running
out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the companies do not
renew the contract with . <span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-GB"><br></span></p><p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-GB">Best regards.</span></p><p class="gmail-m_-3685796464469253734m_82799172288679912gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-GB">Souad</span></p></div></div></div>
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