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    <p>Hi All,</p>
    <p>Whilst I appreciate the significance of a lease, and the
      benefits, it's plain an simple, it doesn't solve our issue.</p>
    <p>We need to be able to migrate resources in towards AfriNIC. 
      Since ALL other registries requires a reciprocal transfer policy,
      in other words:</p>
    <p>If we want to enable transfer to AfriNIC, we must also allow
      transfer away from us.</p>
    <p>It's that simple.  There is no logical option other than to
      support the transfer policy to enable both in- and outbound
      transfers.</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/07/14 02:07, Ubah Anthony
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      <div dir="auto">Hello Lee,
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        <div dir="auto">Like I suggested earlier, AfriNIC will have no
          influence over such transactions, and thus can not alter lease
          terms directly. The significance of the body's presence is
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        <div dir="auto">Kind Regards, </div>
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        <div dir="auto">Anthony </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 20:54 ,
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             1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals (Lee
          Howard)<br>
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          Message: 1<br>
          Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:53:35 -0400<br>
          From: Lee Howard <<a href="mailto:lee.howard@retevia.net"
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          Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br>
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          I like the idea of leasing, in general.<br>
          <br>
          I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular
          leasing <br>
          contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the
          addresses and <br>
          the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the contract,
          including <br>
          the term of the lease. If the lessor wants their addresses
          back, they <br>
          have to give certain notice to the lessee.<br>
          <br>
          If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could
          keep them <br>
          for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years while
          I deploy <br>
          my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years and I think
          IPv4 won't <br>
          be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into the contract
          unless it <br>
          solved my problem.<br>
          <br>
          If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic)
          decided to <br>
          cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4
          addresses <br>
          at whatever market rate happened to be?<br>
          <br>
          If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but
          decided <br>
          to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting based
          on that <br>
          revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I don't
          have that <br>
          revenue any more. If I've been building out my network because
          I new I <br>
          had thousands of dollars coming in, and suddenly I don't, I
          might have <br>
          expenses I can't cover. What happens then?<br>
          <br>
          While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the
          Board could <br>
          halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced makes more
          sense.<br>
          <br>
          Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.<br>
          <br>
          Lee<br>
          <br>
          On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu wrote:<br>
          > Dear Jodi,<br>
          ><br>
          > I quite agree?with Soad's suggestion on IPv4 leasing, as
          Afric <br>
          > shouldn't be boxed in.<br>
          > A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner (Lessor)
          , the Lessee, <br>
          > and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource leasing will be a
          way good way <br>
          > forward.<br>
          ><br>
          > Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of these
          resources, a <br>
          > policy that supports leasing is actually very necessary
          in keeping tap <br>
          > on resource flow and an open market. This will also offer
          a leasing <br>
          > guidelines and arrangement which will global for African
          resources <br>
          > leased, like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and
          resource <br>
          > protection.<br>
          ><br>
          > If the flow of resources maintains a negative trends like
          some people <br>
          > suggest, it will be easier to control using uniform
          pricing and other <br>
          > policies or strategies deemed fit by the community.<br>
          ><br>
          > In the mean time, I'd really love to see the impacts
          analyse.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          > Regards,<br>
          ><br>
          > Anthony<br>
          ><br>
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          >     Today's Topics:<br>
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          >     ? ?1.? inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
          (SOUAD ABIDI)<br>
          >     ? ?2. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br>
          >     ? ? ? (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
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          >     Message: 1<br>
          >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:48:17 +0100<br>
          >     From: SOUAD ABIDI <<a
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          >     Subject: [rpd]? inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy
          proposals<br>
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          >     ? ? ? ?<br>
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          >     Hello,<br>
          ><br>
          >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
          resources may<br>
          >     run out<br>
          >     from our region-since there is no a explicit control
          motioned in<br>
          >     the policy<br>
          >     - As some people argue.<br>
          >     Here what I suggest :<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the
          seller and<br>
          >     the buyer<br>
          >     up to 5? years with a possibility to renew it and
          AfriNIC will be<br>
          >     the 3rd<br>
          >     part of the? ? ? ? ? deal .<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no?
          approval.<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in
          the world.<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3
          parts<br>
          >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
          ><br>
          >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that
          our<br>
          >     resources are<br>
          >     running out from our region, we can decide to bring
          them back and the<br>
          >     companies do not renew the contract with .<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     Best regards.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Souad<br>
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          >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200<br>
          >     From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a
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          >     Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy
          proposals<br>
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          >     Hi Souad,<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     The problem of this is that it will be useless with
          other RIRs,<br>
          >     because they require reciprocity in their policies.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we
          don?t do<br>
          >     something that it is reciprocal with their policy.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     I still think my approach with the suggested changes
          is the best<br>
          >     one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will
          review the text to<br>
          >     accommodate to it and send a new version.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     Regards,<br>
          ><br>
          >     Jordi<br>
          ><br>
          >     @jordipalet<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
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          >     El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <<a
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          escribi?:<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     Hello,<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
          resources may<br>
          >     run out from our region-since there is no a explicit
          control<br>
          >     motioned in the policy - As some people argue.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Here what I suggest :<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the
          seller and<br>
          >     the buyer up to 5? years with a possibility to renew
          it and<br>
          >     AfriNIC? will be the 3rd part of the deal .<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no
          approval.<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in
          the world.<br>
          ><br>
          >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3
          parts<br>
          >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
          ><br>
          >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that
          our<br>
          >     resources are running out from our region, we can
          decide to bring<br>
          >     them back and the companies do not renew the contract
          with .<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          >     Best regards.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Souad<br>
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