<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Jordi,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can we stick to review of the current AFRINIC PDP, focus on solutions to address the issues and not mix with our experience with other RIRs PDP?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Experience with Afrinic PDP and the regional context make PPM mandatory, as part of the consensus decision-making process. Not many in the region, have time and energy to follow closely discussions on proposals which happen in only one single phase, just in 4 weeks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we exercise the multi phase approach of PDP-BIS ( adoption , discussion, review phases) before PPM with the clear definition of roles and responsibilities of chairs, we may conclude later on that consensus can just be obtained via only email as the process would have shown that good discussions and work has been done over these phases. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Komi</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2019, at 9:22 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Komi,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 14/7/19 2:07, "Komi Elitcha" <<a href="mailto:kmw.elitcha@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kmw.elitcha@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Jordi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class="">Le 10 juil. 2019 à 14:06, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Arnaud,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I don’t agree. Sometimes even a single coma changed, can change the interpretation of the text. Probably not too much, but sufficient for the staff to make a new review of the existing impact analysis to verify what has changed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Maybe submit changes to staff for applying them to new version?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We shall make sure proposal mature from discussions before requesting impact analysis.. It makes no sense to involve staff in every update. We have seen proposal going back and forward.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">On the contrary. The costliest impact analysis, in a typical proposal, is the first one. It takes longer. New versions of policy proposals, means, typically, small impact analysis changes. If the authors are consequent with the impact analysis, addressing the issues, typically it gets reduced.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With current PDP, where every proposal under discussion for<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> 4 weeks, is placed on the agenda for next PPM, the best thing to do is to only request staff analysis on version of proposal to be presented and discussed at PPM. This means, co-chairs must organize the discussions around proposals and work with authors to deliver updated version to be presented at PPM on time to allow impact analysis.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Is up to the authors to progress their work. I agree that ideally, they should do it, for new versions many weeks up-front the meeting, so we have a final impact analysis on time, but it depends on the community participating in the list. I can address the issues of the impact analysis of proposal “n” v1 and have v2, but I often want to address in the same version the community inputs, sometimes I wait for those and never come, so you do it just to match the deadline for new versions which is 1 weeks before the meeting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If impact analysis is required according to co-chairs and can't be done before PPM, then discussion at the meeting should not seek consensus.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I don’t agree with that. We have seen (in every RIR), proposals reaching consensus even without impact analysis. I know is good and it is ideal (because it allows the authors to refine every bit of the proposal), but is not a must to reach consensus.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">After all, we are all humans, even if we have a “perfect” impact analysis, sometimes we miss something and the policy needs a new cycle to improve. This is part of the PDP process. The policy manual is always evolving. Circumstances change, technology change, world change. It needs to be adapted to all that.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I agree that *<b class="">most of the times</b>* this will mean just a very few minutes work, but it all depends on the changes from one proposal version to another. I think is fair to ask the staff for it (as this is already their existing operational practice), but at the same time, let to them to decide if it needs a lot of changes or just minor one, because it will depend on each case.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Are we still talking about staff’s impact staff comment on proposal?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I’ve talked always about impact analysis. I see staff comments as any other community inputs. What I don’t expect is the staff to raise things that belong to the impact analysis during the meeting, or even worst after it. They should do their work up front, unless it was a new “big and complex” proposal submitted just 4 weeks before the meeting and it was impossible to have a final impact analysis by the meeting. I doubt this is something that may happen, but I’m happy to keep the door open and in that case a “draft impact analysis” maximum 10 days before the meeting allows the authors to submit, if possible and needed, a new version, to correct any “big” problems in time for the 1 week before the meeting dead-line.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1st staff impact analysis on proposal should clearly state what the concerns are and the working group must work in making sure these concerns are addressed and that throughout all changes, comply with the impact analysis.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Only major revision shall require new impact analysis. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">In other RIRs, this is done in every version as well. RIPE is a different case, because the RIPE process is meant to work *<b class="">only</b>* in the mailing list. We can’t compare it, because as we “believe” that there is already some possibility of consensus in the list, then we do a single impact analysis. If we try to do it in Afrinic, where the consensus requires a meeting, it will mean that we need to wait for the meeting for having an impact analysis, and maybe we then discover something that is too late to modify so we need to wait for one more meeting, and so on.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Staff can voice alarms anytime if see working group deviance from the impact analysis.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Clearly this helps the people reading any proposal, because they want to make sure that they are reading the impact analysis for that one. Otherwise you ask each PDP participant to double check all the previous versions compare them, and make sure that the considerations on the impact analysis match.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">As said the PDP explicit that the “chairs may request” but not that it can’t be done if the chairs don’t request it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The PDP by explicitly stating what can be done, implicitly prohibit what can't be done. Otherwise no need for a PDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I disagree. PDP is like law. Law only says what is mandatory and what is forbidden. Anything in the middle is allowed. If law say you may open a bank account and law doesn’t prohibit you to open many bank accounts, then you are allowed to open none, one or as many as you want. In our case PDP say may be requested, but doesn’t prohibit the staff to include in the internal process to do one for each version.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">When PDP does not have provision for something, BCPs can apply or working group consensus may decide on how to proceed.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Otherwise , PDP should be revised to cater with what need to change<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Time to discuss PDP-BIS .<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-Komi<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 10/7/19 11:43, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Jordi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sometimes you try to complicate simple and easy things and rather complain that everything else is complicated. Staff analysis is not needed for every revision of proposal being discussed. The current PDP addresses this by stating the chairs may request. Responsible policy process follows existing PDP diligently <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The series of automatic staff analysis we have seen even when a simple clarification is made to proposals have not helped the process.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Let us stick to what the current PDP says and rely on chairs to make decision on when to request staff analysis and manage the timing.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Arnaud.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 à 10:07, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Arnaud,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Can you exatly show us what existing text in the PDP disallows an internal procedure for the staff to make an impact analysis?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Additional explanation from the PDP:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">3.4.1 Draft Policy Proposal</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">… The Working Group Chair(s) may request AFRINIC to provide an analysis (technical, financial, legal or other), of the impact of the draft policy proposal. …</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Can you enlight us about why if the staff decides to have this impact analysis *<b class="">even</b>* if the chairs don’t ask for it, in an automatic fashion for every policy proposal/version, it can’t be done?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Why this is bad for the community (or even the chairs)? Why is a so terrible thing that we should disable the staff the ability to improve their processes?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">How this is “</span><span lang="EN-US" class="">revoking *<b class="">any</b>* chairs prerogative”? Can the chairs confirm if they have any trouble which this, or it is a clear improvement on the internal (already existing) staff process?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Are we, as a community, trying to improve things in the most agile way, or trying to work against ourselves?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 70.8pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 9/7/19 11:53, "Arnaud AMELINA" <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 15:52 Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ernest@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204);" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Hi all,<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Since we got the idea from Sylvain to fix the impact analysis timing (he almost convinced me that we need a policy proposal for that).<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> So, before sending a formal policy proposal, I've exchanged emails with the staff about that, and we discussed that being an operational issue, it may be not necessary to have a policy proposal, but instead an operational process update.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Note that I'm sending this to the list, as agreed with the staff, in order to ensure that we make it transparent for the community, as this is clearly a benefit for all:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> My proposal to the staff:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Could you amend your actual procedure for the impact analysis in such way that state something in the line of "the staff will provide the impact analysis for new policy proposals in 4 weeks. For new versions of existing policy proposals, which already have an impact analysis, we will aim for providing it in a maximum of 2 weeks. In some cases, it may take longer, however, we will aim to have the full impact analysis or at least some draft of it, 10 days before each policy meeting."<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I think Ernest want to suggest a small tweak on that text, but I think it should be ok and we avoid a policy proposal and a long discussion and make a better use of the time for all the participants for more complex problems.<br class=""><br class="">Yes - The suggestion above is reasonable. Let us commit to providing a staff analysis in 4 weeks for a new proposal or a large change, and 2 weeks for a small change to an existing proposal.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 106.2pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Are we changing the PDP through staff ? Are we imposing staff analysis to each revision of proposal being discussed ? Are we revoking chairs prerogative to request staff analysis when it is needed? While new proposal seems obvious, who decides what is large change or small change? 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