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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I guess not, they have nothing to win, so trying to change the policies in the other 4 RIRs, while now it is clear they are working for them, why those communities will like to support that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES-TRAD style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 13/7/19 20:24, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The question I see it with such a proposal is why would the other RIRs want to support such an administrative and contractual nightmare?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br>On Jul 13, 2019, at 02:38, Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Jodi, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I quite agree with Soad's suggestion on IPv4 leasing, as Afric shouldn't be boxed in. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner (Lessor) , the Lessee, and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource leasing will be a way good way forward. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of these resources, a policy that supports leasing is actually very necessary in keeping tap on resource flow and an open market. This will also offer a leasing guidelines and arrangement which will global for African resources leased, like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource protection. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If the flow of resources maintains a negative trends like some people suggest, it will be easier to control using uniform pricing and other policies or strategies deemed fit by the community. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In the mean time, I'd really love to see the impacts analyse. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Anthony <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, 13:00 , <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:rpd-owner@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-owner@afrinic.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals (SOUAD ABIDI)<br> 2. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br> (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:48:17 +0100<br>From: SOUAD ABIDI <<a href="mailto:fs_abidi@esi.dz" target="_blank">fs_abidi@esi.dz</a>><br>To: AfriNIC List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAAKrF68NtNRLP=<a href="mailto:s3kYAQFsU0U1xzwbPRr65uGHt0rQKxerv1xQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">s3kYAQFsU0U1xzwbPRr65uGHt0rQKxerv1xQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hello,<br><br>As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may run out<br>from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in the policy<br>- As some people argue.<br>Here what I suggest :<br><br>? Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and the buyer<br>up to 5 years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be the 3rd<br>part of the deal .<br><br>? AfriNIC takes no money and makes no approval.<br><br>? The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.<br><br>? The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts<br>(afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br><br>So buy adopting this approach and if we notice that our resources are<br>running out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the<br>companies do not renew the contract with .<br><br><br>Best regards.<br><br>Souad<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190712/bdc67a81/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190712/bdc67a81/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200<br>From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>To: AfriNIC List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:ADB5CBA8-606A-4FD2-B594-5887DF89DFAB@consulintel.es" target="_blank">ADB5CBA8-606A-4FD2-B594-5887DF89DFAB@consulintel.es</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi Souad,<br><br><br><br>The problem of this is that it will be useless with other RIRs, because they require reciprocity in their policies.<br><br><br><br>If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t do something that it is reciprocal with their policy.<br><br><br><br>I still think my approach with the suggested changes is the best one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will review the text to accommodate to it and send a new version.<br><br><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <<a href="mailto:fs_abidi@esi.dz" target="_blank">fs_abidi@esi.dz</a>> escribi?:<br><br><br><br>Hello, <br><br><br><br>As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in the policy - As some people argue.<br><br>Here what I suggest : <br><br><br><br>? Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and the buyer up to 5 years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be the 3rd part of the deal .<br><br>? AfriNIC takes no money and makes no approval. <br><br>? The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.<br><br>? 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