<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">What this suggests then is that John is right.   We sometimes understand the same paragraph differently.   FWIW, I am part of the community that agrees with Mirriam on possible next steps.  Perhaps we can focus and comment on the substance now?  <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Omo</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 7 Jul 2019, at 12:27, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" class="">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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      attempting to speak on and for the community, but rather voiced
      his own opinion and believe that Mirriam could not based on the
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      the community.</p><p class="">I agree with Andrew.</p><p class="">Kind Regards,<br class="">
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              <div class="">It is interesting how different people can
                read the same paragraph and understand it very
                differently. What I understood when I read Andrew's
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              <div class="">"Do not make a decision yet Mirriam. The
                community has not decided yet. Just because there were a
                few vocally against it, does not mean the community is
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          <div class="">Interesting!  When I read it, I interpreted
            Andrew as doing exactly the same as he was accusing Mirriam
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          <div class="">I saw Mirriam as suggesting an approach which
            makes a lot of sense. We should not shroud in a trivial
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 7 Jul 2019 at
                08:02, Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>>
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                  <div class="">While I can't support or oppose what <span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline" class="">Mirriam says, I didn't like the way you
                      put your self as judge onbehave of the community.
                      Pls revise your two sentences (</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class="">"plenty members of this community who are
                      just fine" and "</span><span style="color:rgb(32,31,30);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px" class="">opposition has been relatively limited").</span></div>
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                  <div id="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701Signature" class=""><b class="">Dr. Sami H.O. Salih</b><br class="">
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                    </font><font style="font-size:10pt" class="" size="2">T/F: (249)122045707/187171355</font>
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                      <b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, 2019 7:06
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                      JORDI PALET MARTINEZ; <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
                      <b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [rpd]
                      [Community-Discuss] Lobbying Allegations against W</font>
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                    <div class="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_WordSection1"><p class="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_MsoNormal"><span class="" lang="EN-US">Mirriam,</span></p>
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                      </div><p class="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_MsoNormal"><span class="" lang="EN-US">I have just one question
                          – why do you feel that you can talk on behalf
                          of the community in the way that you are? You
                          state:</span></p>
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                      <div id="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_yMail_cursorElementTracker_1562369899000" class=""><p class="gmail-m_291091959815245814gmail-m_-2460693075459281701x_MsoNormal"><i class="">Since Larus Foundation fellowship
                            program is not popular within the community
                            due to the issues raised by members of the
                            community, my suggestion and I will repeat
                            again, is that AFRINIC  takes a central role
                            with matters related to fellowship. Larus
                            Foundation is better of working with
                            AfriNIC, if indeed they mean well for this
                            community. </i></p>
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                            you refer to?  Because – I’m pretty sure
                            there are plenty members of this community
                            who are just fine with what they have done –
                            myself included – and in fact the opposition
                            has been relatively limited.  So – is the
                            community suddenly just a few detractors? 
                            Does this mean I, and others like  me, are
                            not part of “the community”?  I really get a
                            little concerned when I pretty consistently
                            see these grandiose statements on behalf of
                            “the community” rather than stating
                            individual opinions, or the opinions of a
                            specific sub-set.</span></p>
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