<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_2064795570359828951gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 9:23 AM Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Hi Noah</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 at 23:27, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Mike<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your own employer operates (or had operated) perfectly lawfully in a number of countries without a licence.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Dont be confused Mike, a member can lodge the application for INR in one country and still use them in other countries within AFRICA. We are talking about the application process for INR and the country in which folks apply from and what I was saying is that so often, member services will request for a license from the regulator.</div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think you are confused. You may want to check the history of AS37100.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are still confused because I know the history AS37100 the pan-Africa Internet network enabler very very well :-) and such find response inline.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You can tell me (off-list if you prefer) what licence and from which regulator it held when it initially applied for resources?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I dont need to go off-list because I know the origins which dates back to 2009, way before it ever received any INR from AFRINIC. You seem to be coming from an uninformed or misguided position and since the information is publicly available, I have done the honor of helping to point you to one of the regulators website among others which I could. You can search for our house hold name :-)<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.tcra.go.tz/index.php/licensing/licensed-operators/2-tcra/39-network-services-licences" target="_blank">https://www.tcra.go.tz/index.php/licensing/licensed-operators/2-tcra/39-network-services-licences</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>You are instead confusing with network operations.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again dont be confused, application for INR in one country to use them for numbering networks in that country and other countries within AFRICA in encouraged by AfriNIC, after all this is the mandate of AFRINIC, to allocate/assign INR resources for use within AFRICA to promote the development of the African Internet we we are doing.</div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am not confused. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>I think you didn't understand me well since I was speaking from my personal experience having been involved
with other ISP's and networks like ( AS36965, AS327819, AS327706) in the past, which
needed INR from AFRINIC and the application process required proof of
regulatory licensing among other things. All those AS's had a regulators license among other requirements at
the time of application for INR and this made it easier for AfriNIC members services team to allocate/assigned the needed INR. I hope am clear now.<br></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">What if an ISP operates perfectly lawfully without a licence in any jurisdiction? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Aaaah an ISP is involved in providing some form of communication by means of their own infrastructure or another infrastructure provider. I don't think most countries with regulatory authorities would allow an ISP to operate in the country without being regulated, so strategic partnerships come in handy in some of this cases especially for ISP which are not yet domicile in such a jurisdiction but could offer services to members of that jurisdiction through partnerships with a local player. So an ISP could indeed operate in some jurisdiction but with some sort of partnership with an existing licensed ISP in that jurisdiction and this is common. <br></div><div><br> </div><div>Now in terms of that ISP getting number resources, they must provide some documentation like a business license from their domicile country/countries and this is where they would be regulated and this is where members services team would request for such licenses based on my personal experience.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Noah<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div></div></div>
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