<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div>After attending two AfriNIC meetings, I noticed that afriNIC boot doesn't have any flayers, booklets or any kind of printed material to share with the newcomers about how AfriNIC works or the main policies to discuss in the meeting period.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Below some suggestions : </div><div><br></div><div>a) To have a booklet about the hottest topics written by Policy authors in each afriNIC meeting , where they explain briefly the policy in a simple way, which in my opinion will increase the rate of participation in the room, since most of the newcomers are not subscribed in the mailing list yet so not aware about what's going on. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>b) I agree with Jordi to make a session with newcomers after the newcomers' session on the first day, to discuss the policies before the PDP day. </div><div><br></div><div>c) I suggest for AfriNIC fellowship program, to make a mandatory course to complete by the fellows before attending the meeting so they can have an idea about the AFRINIC meeting and getting a maximum contribution during the meeting. </div><div><br></div><div>I know that AFRINIC website has many resources, but a dedicated course to the newcomers with a scope from each main area, I believe would be useful(As ICANN does with the fellows).</div><div>[I volunteer to contribute in this if it's approved]</div><div><br></div><div>By doing so, we won't let the floor to multiple resources that might lead to confusion.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards.</div><div>Souad</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 à 09:48, Sami Salih <<a href="mailto:sami.salih@outlook.com">sami.salih@outlook.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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If I remember well, the colonists also came to "<b>help</b>".<br>
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To help someone/nation you need to be humble enough to give them the abstract things (Materials in this case), especially when dealing with young/fresh fellows. I believe from my long teaching experience that its much better to pass the abstract level of the
knowledge so that student can use his own brain/logic to drawn the conclusion based on his logic. Giving youth ready made conclusions to just parroting others logic is much harming. Increasing the population at AFRINIC meeting is not a goal.</div>
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To show the good well of the fellowship providers, its much better to involve AFRINIC in the process from selection throw education and then effectively contribute to the meeting. This is the only way to assure sustainable, valuable, and trusted contributions
and to build a real "<b><u>bottom-up</u></b>", "<b>Open</b>", and "<b>Transparent</b>" process in a real
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Those who are in my age may remember this "<b>no separation for one nation down down colonization</b>"</div>
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<div id="gmail-m_2991051665500220554divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Ousmane M. TESSA <<a href="mailto:ousmane@musatesa.net" target="_blank">ousmane@musatesa.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Larus foundation fellowship</font>
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<p>A+ Jordi!<br>
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As an academic, most useful educational materials to leraners community have to be FAIR (findable accessible interoperable and reusable)!<br>
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So selective use of filtered and uncorrect "quoted" opinions have a flavour of ... project!<br>
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Those who say that they come as samaritain to "help" must bear in mind that AfriNIC community is more agile and smart than they think!<br>
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RESPECT! RESPECT! "Shouting is not a act of vitality"!<br>
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JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :</p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">Actually, I think this is something to be done by Afrinic, with the help of PDP chairs and policy proposal authors. The goal is not to convince them about *<b>any</b>* policy proposal, just
to have more open time for openly discussing them, and mainly oriented to newcomers, but not only.</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">I’ve actually suggested (several times) for the last couple of years, some of those activities, that I’ve suggested as well in other RIRs and have been implemented already, with a great success.
Up to now, it has never been done, despite how much I’ve insisted (staff and co-chairs can confirm that I’ve once and again provided lots of those ideas).</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">… concrete actions some of the in every meeting:</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> 1) Setting up open sessions for discussion with policy proposal authors. The idea is that all the authors (willing to contribute) have a short explanation of each policy proposal (no slides,
a common slide with titles of all policy proposals just for reference), and they can discuss openly with the participants. There is not any decision process here.</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> In order to plan agenda, I suggest doing this after the session for newcomers and/or sponsored fellows, same meeting room, so the people don't need to move, make it as easier as possible
for them. In LACNIC we did that on Sunday evening because most of the folks travel on the morning. Distances and flights aren't the same in this region, so we should consider that.</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> 2) Setting up specific tables for lunch for the same. Similar to above, so people with interest or questions about policy proposal, can sit down with authors to have a more open discussion.</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> 3) Group Dynamics. Take newcomers and other people interested in the PDP. One morning before the policy-day. Create 3-4 small groups depending on how many folks participate (may be more
if there are more people, but you need one staff or co-chair for each group), and each group should work in "understanding" a different policy proposal, looking for pros-cons, and trying to "develop" consensus on it and then presenting shortly their results
to all the groups. The idea is that they get used to the process and can bring their views to the policy day. As the previous ones, this is not a formal part of the PDP. But in LACNIC has been useful because new people get engaged in the list and in the mics
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">When anyone present a summary of a policy proposal (which has been done already by the authors) you’re directly or indirectly doing your own analysis and arguing for
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<p class="gmail-m_2991051665500220554x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I believe Wafa has provided far much better educational materials (unbiassed) on the policy development process to<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> all the newbie's who can parse through and understand
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