<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi There Graham,<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:40 AM Graham Beneke <<a href="mailto:graham@sadv.co.za">graham@sadv.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-cite-prefix">On 2019/07/02 14:04, Noah wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">We all know what clause 6.1 says but I can assure
you that Madhvi's team wont play until you prove that you have a
license from the local regulator if you intend to build an
Internet Infrastructure (ISP) on continent and need resources
for the case of an LIR.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">This is factually incorrect and you are
welcome to go and ask Madhvi or her team about as like I have on
many occasions.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My response was based on my person experience working for / supporting some different LIR (ISP's if you will). The part of the documents member services requested while going through the application process for membership as an LIR with plans to offer ISP services was proof that the startup ISP had a license from the communications regulator. In all applications, we have had to provide this information among other related document to the member services. So this is where I was coming from with my argument.<br></div><div><br> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">The registration services team asks for
licences (and various other information) as a convenient short cut
to gauge the legitimacy of an entities operations. The way this
has been requested in some of the response templates has implied
that this is a hard requirement but it certainly is not.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe, but they still ask for it and I take it that they are doing their job well in order to manage Internet Number Resources.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">It is fairly common across the continent
to require some sort of licence to build Internet /access/
infrastructure. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ack.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">Many other kinds of Internet services exist that
don't require licensing such a hosting services and provision of
services within a campus or enterprise.</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">I can point you to examples of
universities, banks, content distribution networks, government
departments, email providers, airlines, insurance, energy,
logistics and retail companies who have all shown the hostmasters
that their operations do not require any kind of license and they
have legitimately received resources.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I totally agree but even with all this various kinds of members, there is some sort of licensing document either business or for example Universities, a license from the regulatory/licensing organ of Education in those countries just as Email providers may for example be regulated by local electronics communication authority or energy folks with ministry of energy just as banks would have a license from the Central Bank as regulator.</div><div><br></div><div>My point is this documents on licensing are party to the application process for INR and AfriNIC should keep asking for them above and beyond signing of the RSA, confirming to the bylaws and underlining policies that guide INR allocation/assignment.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers Bruv</div><div><br></div><div>Noah<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="gmail-m_-1852704799688926299moz-signature">
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