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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ronald,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The answer to your question can be found in section 5.5 and 5.6 of the CPM – which makes no mention whatsoever of where space must be utilized. It does however state that you must be
an AFRINIC member to receive space, which is where the requirement that organizations should be domiciled in Africa comes from. This is codified in section 6.1.(i) of the bylaws.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Beyond that – there is no actual policy ever ratified which precludes the use of space off continent outside of soft landing – and that requirement can be found can be found in the soft
landing policy in section 5.4.6.2 of the CPM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">During the creation of the soft landing policy – there was actually massive debate about that clause – and myself, and others, opposed the clause because it’s actually entirely unverifiable
– and I’ve never liked clauses that impose requirements that cannot be realistically verified. It is virtually impossible to tell where space is actually being utilized<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The BGP tables won’t tell you this – I can have a block of space in Africa that is announced via an African ASN to a non-African
player over a layer 2 link<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I can have a block of space in Europe that is announced to an African transit provider in Europe<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Latency tells you nothing – VSAT links are common – and VSAT latency can look very much like long haul latency<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s entirely possible for announce an aggregate link in Africa and actually be using all the space out of the continent by sending
de-aggregates to selective peers that would be not be publicly visible. In the same way – I could be originating the space from routers in Europe while using IGP de-aggregates to bring it back to the continent and there would be no visibility externally of
this.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That being said – the clause in 5.4.6.2 is also pretty ambiguous – since I could easily argue that I could number an entire network in Europe or elsewhere without numbering customers
– carry transit across that network and then back into Africa – and state that the space is solely supporting connectivity back to Africa. In the same way I could number an entire branch office off continent and then have that branch office communicating
back to an African branch – and claim the same thing. Hence, I’m not really convinced that 5.4.6.2 is even really realistically enforceable – it is all a matter of perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just my thoughts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 1 July 2019 04:31<br>
<b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [rpd] Legacy holders?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry all. Just two quick rudimentary questions...<br>
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1)<br>
According to this page:<br>
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<a href="https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource">https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource</a><br>
<br>
"There are currently around 350 legacy resources holders<br>
registered in the AFRINIC WHOIS database."<br>
<br>
Is there a simple list of these organizations anywhere? Or does<br>
one have go and do tedious data mining on the entire Afrinic<br>
WHOIS data base in order to just find the names of all of these?<br>
<br>
2)<br>
Within the WHOIS data base what will be the org-type: value<br>
for any one of the legacy organizations?<br>
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