<div dir="ltr"><div>Howard,</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 8:40 PM Lee Howard <<a href="mailto:lee.howard@retevia.net">lee.howard@retevia.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br><p>Based on scarcity, Africa has the greater need for addresses.
      Economists describe markets as a way to distribute resources
      according to their best and highest use. Since that's hard to
      quantify, they use money as a metric for best and highest use.
      Africa has the greatest need, and addresses there would serve
      better (potentially more people) than elsewhere. <br></p></div></blockquote><div>+1 and I dont dispute that. We need more.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
    </p>
    <p>If the only supply is within the region, the prices will be much
      higher than outside the region. If in a year IPv4 addresses are
      US$30 each, they could be US$50 each in Africa, which makes them
      unaffordable for many companies. Prices would be the same
      everywhere if all regions allowed inter-RIR transfers. But there
      still isn't enough supply.</p></div></blockquote><div>Another school of thought would argue that since Africa is the only place with the most demand for IPv4 since places like ARIN dont need them, then brokers like yourself would have Africa as the only place to supply available IPv4 space and we will dictate the IPv4 price else we deploy IPv6. Simple as that. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>A company can save money on IPv4 addresses and CGN by deploying
      IPv6. But it's too late to deploy IPv6 before Afrinic runs out of
      addresses. Addresses will run out, and the market will not be able
      to satisfy the need for addresses.</p></div></blockquote><div>Since I am involved in real network builds, the idea that its too later to deploy IPv6 is absurd. We are deploying it and and we see a significant growth in traffic in continent.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p> ISPs and mobile carriers
      everywhere in Africa will have to deploy CGN, and at higher
      density than elsewhere in the world. The cost for businesses to
      connect will be much higher, since they need inbound access and
      therefore unique IPv4 addresses. African Internet deployment will
      stall, all because IPv6 has not been deployed and there is no way
      to get more IPv4 addresses.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wrong. SAFARICOM in Kenya will tell you otherwise and other Telecom are currently deploying IPv6 in the continent and we have such plans underway and this will change sooner than you think/assume.</div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>
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    <p>Are those the kind of numbers you were looking for?</p>
    <p>Lee</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>[1]
<a class="gmail-m_3352454375805756829moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.internetgovernance.org/wp-content/uploads/IPv6-Migration-Study-final-report.pdf" target="_blank">https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.internetgovernance.org/wp-content/uploads/IPv6-Migration-Study-final-report.pdf</a>
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    </p>
    <p>[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa</a></p>
    <p>[3] <a href="https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019-Q1.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019-Q1.pdf</a></p>
    <p>[4] <a href="http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html</a></p>
    <p>[5] <a href="https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm" target="_blank">https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm</a>
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>[6] <a href="https://wearesocial.com/blog/2019/01/digital-2019-global-internet-use-accelerates" target="_blank">https://wearesocial.com/blog/2019/01/digital-2019-global-internet-use-accelerates</a></p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="gmail-m_3352454375805756829moz-cite-prefix">On 6/28/19 9:30 AM, Noah wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:17
            PM Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div class="gmail-m_3352454375805756829gmail-m_9093594480334309743WordSection1">
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Are you not
                    asking for the identical thing?</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You have
                    absolutely zero empirical data about how much space
                    will supposedly flow off the continent – and I
                    strongly dispute that it will – because I don’t
                    believe there is enough of it on the continent as it
                    is to even serve current needs.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We’re being
                    asked to refuse support for as policy based on fear
                    mongering that has no evidence to support said fears</span></p>
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          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>There is historical evidence to show that other resources
            (non-INR) have left the continent to the benefit of other
            regions but Africa. Show them the $$$ and they will dance.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I had a very interesting discussion with one of the IPv$
            brokers and and he surely cant wait to trade some of the
            space in our region. I will not go into the details of that
            discussion but it was enough for me to personally stay firm
            to my opposition of any policy that would open room for
            resources meant to be used in our region being traded fast
            due to economic reasons beyond the real purpose they were
            meant for which is to help build the African Internet
            Infrastructure. <br>
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          <div><br>
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          <div>You think its fear mongering, but I can assure you that
            money is money and people dont play around when it comes to
            money.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Noah<br>
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          <div><br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Boubakar Barry <<a href="mailto:boubakarbarry@gmail.com" target="_blank">boubakarbarry@gmail.com</a>>
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 June 2019 16:01<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>;
                    JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>;
                    RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR
                    policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 11:29
                        AM Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You’re
                              asking for the impossible – because to get
                              that you’d need to go to all the brokers
                              (I assume)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">So, we jump into the dark,
                        with no parachute (data would have helped
                        somehow), all eyes closed? Keeping them open in
                        these circumstances won't help anyway.</p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Boubakar</p>
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                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
                              <br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 June 2019 14:17<br>
                              <b>To:</b> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4
                              Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
                              this policy now!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
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                            <div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="en-KE">So Jordi,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I still oppose this policy with
                                      strongest terms possible. I still
                                      believe IPv4 space will leave our
                                      region so fast when holders of
                                      Idle space who are yet to put them
                                      to good use as was
                                      allocated/assigned will trade them
                                      for some dollars rather than
                                      return them to AfriNIC. What we
                                      need is a policy that would
                                      discourage IPv4 from being
                                      transferred out of the region
                                      because of attractive prices of
                                      IPv$ but rather encourage more
                                      space coming into the region.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="en-KE">We already have a
                                    transfer policy that can facilitate
                                    internal transfers withing our
                                    region and I am keen of getting a
                                    report from AfriNIC on how this is
                                    going.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="en-KE">@Jordi, please also share
                                  some statistical numbers of available
                                  IPv4 space that would actually come
                                  into our region so that we can work
                                  with figures rather than assumptions.</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE">Noah</span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE">On
                                  Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 7:01 PM JORDI
                                  PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                  wrote:</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi again Sylvain,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I’m very thankful
                                        for your inputs!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">We need to make
                                        sure that others also
                                        participate!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">See below in-line.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                        <span lang="ES">El 21/6/19
                                          23:15, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                                          escribió:</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                  <p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Hi all,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                    <span lang="ES">Le vendredi 21 juin
                                      2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
                                      <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                      a écrit :</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                          <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Sylvain,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                          <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I want to
                                              thank you, I guess we won
                                              a “strong” contributor to
                                              policy discussions! (I
                                              recall your name from
                                              previous discussions, but
                                              you’re now more active,
                                              which is what I wish from
                                              every one). </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">:-D ...please
                                        don't expose me too much Jordi
                                        ;-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">I'm just trying to
                                        do my best...i'm not any kind of
                                        expert :'-(</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Now I realized that
                                        you were not on-site, pity!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> See below,
                                              in-line.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Saludos,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt">
                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt">
                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                              <span lang="ES">El 20/6/19
                                                22:37, "Sylvain BAYA"
                                                <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                                                escribió:</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <span lang="ES">Hi all, </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                            <span lang="ES">Please see,
                                              inline, below...</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                            <span lang="ES"><br>
                                              Le jeudi 20 juin 2019,
                                              JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
                                              RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                              a écrit :</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Hi
                                                    Sylvain,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Sorry
                                                    the email was sent
                                                    before I finished it
                                                    …</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Responding
                                                      below, in-line.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="ES">Regards,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="ES">Jordi</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="ES">@jordipalet</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                      <span lang="ES">El
                                                        20/6/19 15:05,
                                                        "Sylvain BAYA"
                                                        <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        escribió:</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                    <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                <p style="margin-left:106.2pt"><span lang="ES">Hi all,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="ES"><br>
                                                    Le jeudi 20 juin
                                                    2019, JORDI PALET
                                                    MARTINEZ via RPD
                                                    <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                                                    a écrit :</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                    <span lang="EN-US">As
                                                      said, this text is
                                                      redundant (see
                                                      specific text
                                                      below my
                                                      signature), but I
                                                      don't mind to have
                                                      explicit text if
                                                      this facilitate
                                                      the community to
                                                      reach consensus.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Here is my
                                                      proposal, again,
                                                      please comment
                                                      about this ASAP,
                                                      so we can submit a
                                                      new version
                                                      already, instead
                                                      of waiting to be
                                                      closer to the next
                                                      meeting. This way
                                                      we can ensure that
                                                      we get on time the
                                                      staff impact
                                                      analysis, in case
                                                      something else
                                                      need to be
                                                      amended.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      "The Inter-RIR
                                                      transfers will be
                                                      automatically
                                                      suspended in case
                                                      the balance
                                                      between IPv4
                                                      out-going and
                                                      in-coming
                                                      addresses becomes
                                                      cero." </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                </blockquote>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                    <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                    <span lang="EN-US">Jordi,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                    <span lang="EN-US">...typos
                                                      on “zero” ?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                    <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Yeah
                                                      … my spelling
                                                      checker often
                                                      confuses English
                                                      and Spanish!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                    <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Anyway,
                                                      here is a better
                                                      version, because
                                                      this balance is
                                                      actually “cero” at
                                                      the start of the
                                                      implementation, so
                                                      the text may be
                                                      misleading, we
                                                      need to define . </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">Alright !</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">I like the
                                                new visage of this
                                                policy proposal because
                                                i really appreciate the
                                                way you are leading the
                                                discussions around it. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Believe me,
                                                that I always try to
                                                heard everybody position
                                                and accommodate as much
                                                as possible, my own
                                                thinking/knowledge and
                                                the text to that (or
                                                convincing other if I
                                                believe they have a
                                                wrong vision). This is
                                                the way to reach
                                                consensus. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Go ahead on this
                                        way ! i declare my support for
                                        such an approach, because i'm
                                        personaly sharing a similar
                                        approach.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Hopefully other
                                        participants will also share it.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">While
                                                contributing to this
                                                thread, what i want is
                                                to be sure that this
                                                policy proposal could be
                                                really beneficial to
                                                AFRINIC
                                                region|community.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Same as me,
                                                again, the right thing
                                                to do.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">“The
                                                    Inter-RIR transfers
                                                    will only be enabled
                                                    once AFRINIC enter
                                                    into Exhaustion
                                                    Phase 2 (<a href="http://5.4.3.2" target="_blank">5.4.3.2</a>).
                                                    The Inter-RIR
                                                    transfers will be
                                                    automatically
                                                    suspended in case
                                                    the number of
                                                    out-going IPv4
                                                    addresses exceeds
                                                    the in-coming ones
                                                    by six consecutive
                                                    months.”</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">This
                                                version is a good
                                                starting point. Thanks.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">I
                                                understand it like this
                                                :</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">* This
                                                Policy Validity Starting
                                                Point : Exhaustion Phase
                                                2</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">* Initial
                                                point : balance of zero
                                                (nothing in|out)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">* First
                                                auto-stop point : when
                                                the in/out balance
                                                becomes down</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">..* After
                                                06 consecutive months
                                                {seems to be not
                                                interesting for me}</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">..* Even
                                                02 consecutive months is
                                                not really interesting,
                                                because we miss an #x
                                                amount (or %) of
                                                resource (IPv4) limit to
                                                not reach at any time
                                                (without any mention of
                                                #y consecutive months)
                                                to reduce an unwilling
                                                risk. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">This
                                                policy shall be able,
                                                maybe, to stop a
                                                transaction (in course)
                                                which could conduct us
                                                out of a specific low
                                                acceptable in/out
                                                balance. So think about
                                                it again please.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">This is not
                                                possible, I believe,
                                                unless someone discovers
                                                a “magic way to write it
                                                down” (which I can’t see
                                                now). Anyway, I’m still
                                                trying to think
                                                something before ending
                                                this email … </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">...quite difficult
                                        for sure :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">It's simply
                                        confirming us that to reach the
                                        *goal* of this (and other)
                                        policy proposal, we need to
                                        think deeply on details. Other
                                        meaning : we need more active
                                        volunteers|participants engaged
                                        with sincere contributions.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">*<b>EXACTLY!</b>*
                                        Meetings time is precious and we
                                        aren’t allowed to modify the
                                        text of the proposals on-site,
                                        we need inputs way ahead!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve not
                                                personally been involved
                                                in transfers, but I
                                                understand the process
                                                and transfers don’t
                                                happen “in the second”.
                                                There are documents to
                                                review, justification to
                                                be reviewed by the two
                                                RIRs, contracts to be
                                                signed, payments to be
                                                done (via an escrow),
                                                etc. It is a matter of
                                                several days or weeks. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Thanks for these
                                        clarifications.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">It may
                                                happen that in the
                                                middle of a month,
                                                several “negotiations”
                                                for transfers are
                                                running, and some of
                                                them in one or the other
                                                direction may reach or
                                                not in time for the end
                                                of that month. That’s
                                                why I’m suggesting a
                                                number of months. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">...to my
                                        knowledge, to better text this
                                        situation (and reach the *goal*)
                                        we must considere that the
                                        transfer is started when the
                                        parties have sent a request to
                                        the staff. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">What we can also
                                        do is to add a new section with
                                        advices for those who will need
                                        to start a inter RIR transfer
                                        procedure. On that section, we
                                        shall explain why they must not
                                        take more than one (?), two or
                                        three months to complete the
                                        pre-process (b2b negociations).
                                        They shall know and understand
                                        the risk to come too late to the
                                        staff to request a transfer ;
                                        because the negociation phase
                                        took too much time... :-/</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I don’t think this
                                        is possible. Transfers have a
                                        lot of “business talks” among
                                        the parties. Only once the
                                        parties have reached an
                                        agreement, they need to go into
                                        the process. You could do on the
                                        other way around, it can be a
                                        mix of both. I don’t think the
                                        community must provide a rule on
                                        that, because this has not been
                                        done in other RIRs. If we try to
                                        setup our own rule, then our
                                        policy will have mismatches with
                                        the other policies and then we
                                        may be in the situation that
                                        they are not reciprocal, or the
                                        existing procedures in the other
                                        regions need to be re-worked,
                                        why they are going to do it, now
                                        that we are the last one?.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If the
                                                staff tries to evaluate
                                                the transfers at a
                                                single point in time, it
                                                may be misleading as
                                                some operations in the
                                                opposite direction may
                                                be being processed.
                                              </span><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES">The RIRs may
                                                have an “alert” of a
                                                possible transfer,
                                                depending on the
                                                direction, I don’t know
                                                if the exiting
                                                coordination systems
                                                allow them to check
                                                those (this will sort
                                                out the problem), but
                                                still will not be
                                                precise, as some other
                                                folks may be
                                                “negotiating” a transfer
                                                and have not yet
                                                informed the relevant
                                                RIRs until the parties
                                                agree.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                        </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Ok, we need a
                                        clarification from the staff.
                                        But before that, i propose
                                        something below to address the
                                        problem...</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES">If we stop the
                                                policy immediately the
                                                balance becomes “bad”
                                                for AFRINIC, then a
                                                transfer in the other
                                                direction will not be
                                                able to happen. You see
                                                the point.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
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                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Ok you are right !
                                        But let me try other
                                        possibility|solution i see : are
                                        we still prioritising incoming
                                        transfers ? :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">To be sure, i
                                        think we can include a similar
                                        (to the following) text (about
                                        transfer procedure) : </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">“Initiators of a
                                        transfer must start the
                                        procedure earlier by submitting
                                        their request. The transfer
                                        procedure is concluded after a
                                        cycle of $four months, devided
                                        in two periods of $two months
                                        for each. Initiators submit
                                        their case to the staff and wait
                                        for the staff to give their
                                        conclusion at least $two months
                                        after the "submissions period"
                                        and not more than $four months
                                        (including the "verification
                                        period"). The staff will collect
                                        the cases (submissions|requests)
                                        during the "submissions period".
                                        The staff can start to study the
                                        cases immediately, after
                                        receiving them, until the end of
                                        the "verification period" which
                                        is coinciding with the next
                                        "submission period"; while
                                        collecting other cases. Those in
                                        line with the CPM (policy
                                        compliant) at the end of the
                                        correspondent "verification
                                        period". The staff should focus
                                        to the goal : keep the in/out
                                        balance exceding. Incoming
                                        transfer submissions shall be
                                        prioritised and treated
                                        separately.”</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I don’t think this
                                        will work, as I just explained a
                                        few reasons above. In principle
                                        I will not support this.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="EN-US">With this bit
                                        of text, i'm trying to solve a
                                        problem you raised above.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">It does, at least,
                                        the following : </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* To change the
                                        approach in considering that </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* We can
                                        considerably diminish the risk
                                        by allowing the staff to study
                                        the transfer submissions (cases)
                                        during the same dedicated
                                        "verifications period" (even
                                        just during $one month if
                                        possible) and
                                      </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* Inform all the
                                        requestors only after the
                                        "verifications period"
                                      </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* With the *goal*
                                        balance in mind :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* Special
                                        treathment for incoming
                                        transfers ;-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* A cycle of four
                                        months within two equal periods
                                        for submissions and
                                        verifications 
                                      </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* More control of
                                        the balance </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* Focus : *goal*
                                        balance</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">* ...</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">See below … it is
                                        not needed. I think, just you
                                        misunderstood my point 4.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">We need to
                                                “take a bit of risk”,
                                                considering that the
                                                real risk, looking at
                                                the numbers I’ve
                                                presented is really
                                                low. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">I agree, but just
                                        a *bit of risk* :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">I wasn't able to
                                        follow your first presentation
                                        during the PPM (Public Policy
                                        Meeting), just the Hijacking
                                        one. Please share the slides of
                                        all your policy proposal
                                        presentations.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">And now I realize
                                        this is part of the problem for
                                        your questions. Please, pause
                                        this discussion until you’re
                                        able to see the video of my
                                        presentation and the slides! I
                                        guess then you may change a bit
                                        your view about the risk, etc.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I already asked the
                                        staff (previous email) to make
                                        sure they are published
                                        tomorrow. I think they deserve
                                        the break today :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Remember
                                                that “nobody” from
                                                AFRINIC is forced to
                                                sell. Who will sell?
                                                Those that for example,
                                                reduce or close the
                                                business, or those that
                                                deploy IPv6, etc.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> Ok it walk samely
                                        for incoming and outgoing
                                        transfers. Considering that we
                                        have a seller and a buyer on
                                        both side transfers.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="ES">Who will buy?
                                                Those that go to
                                                AFRINIC, ask for more,
                                                can’t get all what they
                                                need, and try to get the
                                                rest of their needs via
                                                transfers.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">What is the
                                                logic here? Why ARIN is
                                                the major donator to all
                                                the other RIRs?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">...to what i
                                        recall [1] they still have too
                                        much unused IPv4 addresses.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If we don’t
                                                take a risk, we lose.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">...i'm ok with
                                        that, but let's try to find the
                                        lowest risk :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">This
                                                  means that if one
                                                  month there are “more
                                                  addresses going out”,
                                                  it happens again the
                                                  next month, and it
                                                  happens again by a
                                                  third month and so on,
                                                  then is suspended.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">...so
                                                monthly public reports
                                                should be needed (for
                                                the community to
                                                follow-up and for more
                                                transparency) ?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">If yes,
                                                let's clearly state|text
                                                it also.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I believe
                                                there is already a
                                                public AFRINIC reporting
                                                of the Inter-RIR
                                                transfers, so we will
                                                see this reported ASAP
                                                any transfer is
                                                completed I think.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Can someone share
                                        an uri ?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">I think we must
                                        insert this requirement to the
                                        relevant section of the CPM, if
                                        not existent.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">If this is
                                                not the case (can please
                                                the staff confirm?), I
                                                fully agree (for both
                                                Inter and Intra-RIR) and
                                                will add a specific text
                                                so they are reported,
                                                not just monthly, but
                                                with each completed
                                                transfer.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">You are welcome !
                                        Thanks :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Which this
                                                web page, any member,
                                                the board, etc., can
                                                tell the staff at any
                                                point, if they don’t
                                                realize by themselves,
                                                “hey what is going on
                                                here? Are we good with
                                                the transfers?”.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Yes, transparency
                                        and more power to the community
                                        ;-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">I’ve
                                                    also added a
                                                    condition to make
                                                    sure that this
                                                    policy only starts
                                                    once we are in the
                                                    next exhaustion
                                                    phase.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">So,
                                                    you shall consider
                                                    that, if AFRINIC
                                                    service|community
                                                    doesn't gain
                                                    anything in the
                                                    balance this policy
                                                    should not be
                                                    needed...</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">And
                                                    that should be
                                                    clearly stated.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">I
                                                    agree with that, but
                                                    I don’t think we
                                                    need to put that in
                                                    the policy text,
                                                    this should be in
                                                    the text of the
                                                    policy
                                                    justification.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">...wasn't
                                                the point here.
                                                Apologize but English is
                                                not my first tongue. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">What i was
                                                (trying)
                                                advising|suggesting is
                                                to ensure to text it the
                                                clearest possible ; in
                                                order to remove any
                                                ambiguity.
                                              </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">I'm glad
                                                that you have seen, by
                                                yourself, that there was
                                                a problem with the first
                                                zero state.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Got it,
                                                thanks! And nothing to
                                                excuse!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                            <div>
                                              <blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)">
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">Note
                                                    that in order to
                                                    make it simpler,
                                                    I've used a text
                                                    that instead of
                                                    talking about %, is
                                                    stating that the
                                                    balance of in/out is
                                                    reached. This way we
                                                    ensure that the
                                                    total number of the
                                                    "region IPv4
                                                    addresses" never can
                                                    go down regarding
                                                    the actual figures,
                                                    so Africa never will
                                                    lose addresses. Do
                                                    you think this is
                                                    good enough?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">Ok
                                                    after policing this,
                                                    it seems to be
                                                    necessary to clearly
                                                    state, *“policily”*,
                                                    that the staff must
                                                    follow-up
                                                    (automatically) the
                                                    in/out balance, with
                                                    regular (automated)
                                                    public reports and a
                                                    special (auto) stop
                                                    report (for the zero
                                                    state).</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">I'm
                                                    not sure how to
                                                    "policy-ze" this
                                                    idea. Perhaps with a
                                                    separate policy ?</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                                  <span lang="EN-US">I’m
                                                    not completely sure
                                                    to understand 100%
                                                    what you mean, but
                                                    let me try anyway:
                                                    Staff is mandated to
                                                    follow the policies.
                                                    So, during the
                                                    implementation the
                                                    staff will make the
                                                    necessary provisions
                                                    so they get an alarm
                                                    when the balance of
                                                    in-coming vs
                                                    out-going addresses
                                                    becomes cero. It may
                                                    be done
                                                    automatically
                                                    anyway, but at least
                                                    they should get an
                                                    “alarm”. The
                                                    operational details
                                                    about “how” to
                                                    implement this are
                                                    outside of the
                                                    policy scope.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">Ok i am in
                                                accord with the logic of
                                                separation between
                                                policy rules and their
                                                operational
                                                implementations. I don't
                                                want us to “policy-ze”
                                                the implementation phase
                                                of any policy :-)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">But you
                                                probably miss something
                                                in my above suggestion. </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES">The point
                                                is that, if you don't
                                                clearly ask, via a
                                                policy, for a regular
                                                (public) report (for
                                                example) from the staff,
                                                you could not be sure to
                                                get it when it shall be
                                                needed. Because, without
                                                a specific policy
                                                provision, it will be
                                                just out of their
                                                duties...</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">
                                              <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Let’s try
                                                it again, based on all
                                                the discussion (the
                                                numbers are just to
                                                split the text now, they
                                                will be correctly placed
                                                in the relevant part of
                                                the policy proposal when
                                                we “reach consensus”
                                                about this text:</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt">
                                                <span lang="ES">1.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="ES">      
                                                </span><span lang="EN-US">Each time
                                                  a transfer is
                                                  completed, the
                                                  relevant,
                                                  non-confidential
                                                  information will be
                                                  automatically
                                                  published in a
                                                  specific web page,
                                                  including at least:
                                                  Date of the transfer,
                                                  transferred addresses,
                                                  source organization
                                                  and RIR, destination
                                                  organization and RIR.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt">
                                                <span lang="ES">2.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="ES">      
                                                </span><span lang="EN-US">The
                                                  Inter-RIR transfers
                                                  will only be enabled
                                                  once AFRINIC enter
                                                  into Exhaustion Phase
                                                  2 (<a href="http://5.4.3.2" target="_blank">5.4.3.2</a>).</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt">
                                                <span lang="ES">3.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="ES">      
                                                </span><span lang="EN-US">The
                                                  Inter-RIR transfers
                                                  will be automatically
                                                  suspended in case the
                                                  number of outgoing
                                                  IPv4 addresses exceeds
                                                  the incoming ones by
                                                  six consecutive
                                                  months.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:71.4pt">
                                                <span lang="ES">4.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" lang="ES">      
                                                </span><span lang="EN-US">The staff
                                                  can provisionally
                                                  suspend any suspicious
                                                  operation that creates
                                                  a big unbalance
                                                  against AFRINIC, until
                                                  the board takes a
                                                  decision.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span lang="EN-US">See
                                                point 4. If there is any
                                                suspicious unbalance,
                                                the suspension temporary
                                                suspension of *<b>that</b>*
                                                operation protects our
                                                pool of addresses, for a
                                                few days (I guess the
                                                board in that case
                                                should call for a
                                                decision by email or by
                                                conference call), and
                                                meanwhile, it can be
                                                observed if other
                                                “incoming” operations
                                                will restore the
                                                balance.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Possible solution,
                                        thanks for the effort you
                                        produced above. But there is
                                        still more than acceptable risk
                                        on it (including point 4) ;
                                        because the next new transfer
                                        request can come after the *few*
                                        days of suspension.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">The point here is
                                        that the staff is still able to
                                        suspend any suspicious
                                        operation. Not just one. Is not
                                        that clear my text? (any)</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="EN-US">Please look how
                                        to also consider the alternative
                                        solution i have proposed above.
                                      </span><span lang="ES">I don't
                                        need you to keep that text as it
                                        is, but to use it to figure how
                                        it could be merged with yours
                                        and reduce the risk (no
                                        suspension with it).</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">__</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">[1]: MIT and their
                                        8 million IPv4 addresses – <a href="https://www.techspot.com/news/69055-mit-unload-8-million-ipv4-addresses-fund-ipv6.html" target="_blank">
https://www.techspot.com/news/69055-mit-unload-8-million-ipv4-addresses-fund-ipv6.html</a></span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">Friendly,</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                      <span lang="ES">--sb.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                      <span lang="ES"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                              <span lang="EN-US">I
                                                really believe this is
                                                not needed, it can be
                                                done applying the bylaws
                                                (very recently ARIN
                                                board suspended in
                                                emergency a policy, so
                                                it is a good
                                                demonstration that this
                                                works even if is not in
                                                the policy) but I’m
                                                happy to keep this text
                                                if this means that we
                                                are more unconcerned
                                                this way.</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">What do you
                                                think? </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">
                                              <span style="font-size:12pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks!</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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                                              <span lang="ES">[...]</span><span lang="en-KE"></span></p>
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