<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Hi Jordi,<br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Concerning the messages getting late when sent issue should be attended to please. This is so inconvenient for most of us who would have suggested to an issue and then later discover someone else has answered the questions.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">I really don't understand what's the difference between the digest mode and the real time. I really don't see a difference. Both modes delay messages. So please we need a fix.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 27 Jun 2019, 5:29 AM , <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Assisted Registry Checks (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)<br>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:08:49 +0200<br>
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Assisted Registry Checks<br>
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See below, in-line. I think you?re getting confused ?<br>
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El 26/6/19 17:53, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
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Please see below (inline)...<br>
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Le 6/26/2019 ? 9:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD a ?crit :<br>
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I just got one idea ? One possibility to make it more neutral and having the knowledge of the operational insights ?<br>
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Hi Jordi, if i'm getting you well, (permit me please) you are saying that it if we need a policy proposal turned as an operational procedure, we should leave the exclisivity up to the Staff to submit it to the PDWG prior to be implemented... Am i wrong ?<br>
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1: I don?t believe something like the ARC should be a policy. It is just an operational issue. The RSA already allows the staff to tackle it.<br>
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Even if normally the staff doesn?t submit policy proposals, is perfectly valid. Nothing is against that in the PDP. They follow exactly the same process: the community must also approve it.<br>
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IMHO, i see no real need (yes :-) the neutrality you mentioned above) to *Varying the process* here. I mean someone, from the PDWG, should just submit it (if needed), then it will follow the normal PDP (Impact Analysis Report will raise the Staff concern then).<br>
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2: Mixing things doesn?t help at all to have all this clearer. I?m not saying the staff needs to use the variance process at all. I?m saying that if the community believes this should be a policy (I don?t think is needed), it is just fine, according to the PDP (nothing special), that this policy proposal is done by the staff and the community will need to agree on consensus, just like *any other policy proposal*<br>
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My point is that, we want the Staff more proactive [1], to *timely* provide needed information (including legal one) both onlist and at PPM (CPM section 3.4.0), to *timely* provide Impact Analysis Reports (CPM section 3.4.1)...and as actually proven, it's not easy to get it done.<br>
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3: Again, don?t mix things, I?m not talking about the impact analysis. You can see the email subject is ARC.<br>
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This way it was developed in RIPE NCC.<br>
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Maybe Ernest, Madhvi or other staff want to take it?<br>
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...i don't think that they should be involved in the PDP as author, even just in case of emergency :-)<br>
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Is there not also a bit of *conflict of interest* ?<br>
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4: No variance, the PDP allows the staff to submit policy proposals. Doesn?t happen often, but is quite admissible if we want the ARC to be a policy instead of just an operational procedure.<br>
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Again, they could do this just an operational procedure, but if we prefer a policy, this is nice way in the middle.<br>
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Ok with that, and again i see no problem if any other participant (or an other special WG which may exist ?) decides to author|submit such an operational policy proposal :-) <br>
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El 26/6/19 10:29, "Nasir Faruk" <<a href="mailto:nasirfaruk@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nasirfaruk@gmail.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
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@SOUAD ABIDI,<br>
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I think the author sent ARC document as a suggestion or rather something worth looking at that could assists to shape the discussion on INR. I am sure it's presented as a new proposal.<br>
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@Dewole, i hope i'm right?<br>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:28:46 +0300<br>
From: Ernest Byaruhanga <<a href="mailto:ernest@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ernest@afrinic.net</a>><br>
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] delay in messages<br>
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Jordi,<br>
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Thanks for pointing this out.<br>
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We shall investigate and get it resolved.<br>
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> I've a question about the RPD list.<br>
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> When I send a message to the list, it takes over 5-10 minutes to come back.?<br>
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> This doesn't happen with the community list, for example. So that's why I don't think is something in my side.<br>
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> This is annoying, because 1) you're not sure if the message was actually sent, 2) it may look as if the list is being moderated (I'm sure is not), 3) sometimes you respond a message that already somebody else provided responses for, creating unnecessary traffic (and this is probably the most important reason to resolve it).<br>
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> Example: My last response to Moses, was sent at 12:26 (my local time). However, only did to the list at 12:33.<br>
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> If this helps to investigate the issue, the header of the message in the list, shows that both, my server and Afrinic one use IPv6 and that my message was well received, with DMARC, SPF and DKIM correctly set.<br>
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> Received by <a href="http://mx.afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mx.afrinic.net</a> Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:26:54<br>
> There is a small spamfilter delay (<a href="http://spamfilter.afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">spamfilter.afrinic.net</a> Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:27:03)<br>
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> from <a href="http://lists.afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lists.afrinic.net</a> Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:33:06 +0200<br>
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