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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See below, in-line. I think you’re getting confused …</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 26/6/19 17:53, "Sylvain BAYA" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please see below (inline)...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Le 6/26/2019 à 9:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I just got one idea … One possibility to make it more neutral and having the knowledge of the operational insights …</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Hi Jordi, if i'm getting you well, (permit me please) you are saying that it if we need a policy proposal turned as an operational procedure, we should leave the exclisivity up to the Staff to submit it to the PDWG prior to be implemented... Am i wrong ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>1: I don’t believe something like the ARC should be a policy. It is just an operational issue. The RSA already allows the staff to tackle it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Even if normally the staff doesn’t submit policy proposals, is perfectly valid. Nothing is against that in the PDP. They follow exactly the same process: the community must also approve it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> IMHO, i see no real need (yes :-) the neutrality you mentioned above) to *Varying the process* here. I mean someone, from the PDWG, should just submit it (if needed), then it will follow the normal PDP (Impact Analysis Report will raise the Staff concern then).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>2: Mixing things doesn’t help at all to have all this clearer. I’m not saying the staff needs to use the variance process at all. I’m saying that if the community believes this should be a policy (I don’t think is needed), it is just fine, according to the PDP (nothing special), that this policy proposal is done by the staff and the community will need to agree on consensus, just like *<b>any other policy proposal</b>*<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>My point is that, we want the Staff more proactive [1], to *timely* provide needed information (including legal one) both onlist and at PPM (CPM section 3.4.0), to *timely* provide Impact Analysis Reports (CPM section 3.4.1)...and as actually proven, it's not easy to get it done.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>3: Again, don’t mix things, I’m not talking about the impact analysis. You can see the email subject is ARC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This way it was developed in RIPE NCC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Maybe Ernest, Madhvi or other staff want to take it?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...i don't think that they should be involved in the PDP as author, even just in case of emergency :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is there not also a bit of *conflict of interest* ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>4: No variance, the PDP allows the staff to submit policy proposals. Doesn’t happen often, but is quite admissible if we want the ARC to be a policy instead of just an operational procedure.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Again, they could do this just an operational procedure, but if we prefer a policy, this is nice way in the middle.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Ok with that, and again i see no problem if any other participant (or an other special WG which may exist ?) decides to author|submit such an operational policy proposal :-) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>__<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>[1]: <span class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396e><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009626.html"><https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009626.html></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Shalom,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--sb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 26/6/19 10:29, "Nasir Faruk" <<a href="mailto:nasirfaruk@gmail.com">nasirfaruk@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>@SOUAD ABIDI,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>I think the author sent ARC document as a suggestion or rather something worth looking at that could assists to shape the discussion on INR. I am sure it's presented as a new proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>@Dewole, i hope i'm right?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Best Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>Faruk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><pre style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>..............................................................................................</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>............</span><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>[...] <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Sylvain B.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="http://www.chretiennement.org"><http://www.chretiennement.org></a> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>__<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Website : <a href="https://www.cmnog.cm"><https://www.cmnog.cm></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Wiki : <a href="https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki"><https://www.cmnog.cm/dokuwiki></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Surveys : <a href="https://survey.cmnog.cm"><https://survey.cmnog.cm></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Subscribe to Mailing List : <a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/"><https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Mailing List's Archives : <a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/pipermail/cmnog/"><https://lists.cmnog.cm/pipermail/cmnog/></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Last Event's Feed : <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOGlab3"><https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOGlab3></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/cmN0G"><https://twitter.com/cmN0G></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://facebook.com/cmNOG"><https://facebook.com/cmNOG></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/REBOOTcmNOG"><https://twitter.com/hashtag/REBOOTcmNOG></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOG"><https://twitter.com/hashtag/cmNOG></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="https://cmnog.wordpress.com/"><https://cmnog.wordpress.com/></a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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